how to differentiate magpul for airsoft or magpul for real gun?
i am talking about moe stocks,commercial.
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how to differentiate magpul for airsoft or magpul for real gun?
i am talking about moe stocks,commercial.
I believe the airsoft versions are labeled as "PTS".
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or even order from magpul themselves....
The Magpul PTS MOE stocks actually have a smaller diameter opening for the buffer tube. They're closer to a milspec stock. If you have the luxury of looking at it in person, take your buffer tube with you. Fitting it will be a tell-tail sign of whether or not its a PTS. That being said, the PTS will slide right onto a milspec tube :rolleyes:
I'm not 100% sure about the MOEs, but the PTS CTRs and the PTS UBRs are NOT labeled as PTS on the actual stock. The box is the only thing that's labeled. The PTS MBUS are laser engraved "PTS" on the front of the sights. Hope this helps a little.
A few pics...
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As you can see, the PTS MBUS and the PTS MOE handguard have markings, but the PTS UBR does not. The PTS CTR also does not. Be careful, but any reputable dealer will tell you which one you're looking at.
Forgive my ignorance. But what is the difference between these and the real deal?
Quality of Material?
Lack Magic Pixie dust?
Not personally blessed by the most holy Travis?
*Please note while the question is serious the last two parts obviously are not*
Surely a plastic stock is a plastic stock is a plastic stock? I can't see how the mammoth amount of kick that an AR generates could be a problem for one?
just looking at the picture the PTS plastic doesnt even look like the standard magpul polymer. Standard polymer has a coarser texture. Maybe PTS is just ABS plastic
I'm just curious what real world difference there is between the two. If I was to run an airsoft one on my AR, what problems would you expect me to run into?
this is nuts.. fake Magpul stuff? if you train like you mean it, why would you spend money on shit that's going to break?
If I'm not mistaken, Magpul stands behind their "fake" PTS parts the same as they do their genuine parts. And though there are nay sayers that claim airsoft is a waste of money toy, they DO serve a purpose in training...Airsoft is a fairly inexpensive and safe way to practice live fire force on force drills.
The ABS plastic used to make Airsoft stocks is nowhere near what you come to expect from magpul's materials. If you got a fancy safe queen then its not going to matter but if you use the rife how it was intended, its not going to last. I highly doubt it would stand up to slamming it on the ground to clear a jam, something my real UBR has done with no problem.
FWIW - http://www.airsoftoutletnw.com/index...AGPUL-USA.html
"All MAGPUL USA products are made with DuPont polymer and are close to indestructible. With MAGPUL PTS products, they are made with the same quality and almost all the same materials as original MAGPUL USA parts."
"MAGPUL parts and accessories from both divisions are made with nearly indestructible DuPont polymers and are crafted to the same exacting standards."
Its funny, no one will come out and say what the difference really is. Just "all plastics are not the same" WTF does that mean? I would guess they use thinnier cheaper plastic? Or is it 50% sub standard plastic and 50% not wanting "toy" parts on a real gun? I dont see a need for th PTS stuff anyway. Mall ninja type will spend the money on the real magpul stuff and its not like $20.00 for a MOE hand gurad is going to kill an airsofters budget....:rolleyes: As I see it its only purpose in life is to make magpul more money. Thats it.....
isn't any corporation's purpose to make more money?
im sure they're just cashing in on a market that's already producing knock-off chicom shit. if people are gonna buy products modeled after mapgpul's innovation, why shouldn't magpul try to get in on that? and i'm sure they make a "better" airsoft product than those who infringe in their patents and trademarks.
DINGDINGDING!!! If people are going to knock off their stuff, they might as well get a cut for letting them use their name. Magpul gets some coin, the foreign stuff gets name recognition.
You might notice a difference if your PTS MOE handguard melts from being used on a real barrel. It might be the same stuff, but at the cost, I'm not willing to risk it.Quote:
almost all the same materials as original MAGPUL USA parts
Christ...
Ok, lets clear a few things up here.
The difference in plastics doesnt matter between the real articles and the PTS stuff unless you're kicking in doors and busting faces over seas or even domestically in an LE role.
For 99% of the shooting community the PTS stuff at least when it comes to MOE and CTR stocks would work just fine.
Having said that, the PTS stuff should NEVER be purchased by someone using a firearm simply because there is NO reason to do so. The commercial and Milspec stocks are made to exacting dimensions to fit their respective receiver extensions. Why would you buy something not intended to be used on a real firearm at least dimensionally when you can buy a purpose built product? That is the real issue here, not the construction of said articles. I will also say that the detente mechanism on the PTS stocks is suspect and i would not feel comfortable mortaring these stocks if i had to.
The UBR stocks are self explanatory, they are made to work on electric guns, not real guns and there IS a difference in the construction of these pieces. The metals used on the majority of the stock are soft zinc alloys that will not hold up to use, let alone abuse.
The PTS stuff was created for the over seas markets that cannot get ITAR restricted items. There is a very large Airsoft market in asia and other parts of Europe. I would much rather see Magpul receiving kickbacks for these items than have non licensed products floating around everywhere with absolutely NO control over how they are produced.
Magpuls wholehearted embrace of the Airsoft community is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Last but not least, i will reiterate that for 99% of the mall ninja force 6 warriors out there, myself included, a PTS stock would hold up just fine for our uses. I do not use one simply because there is no reason to.
yea that clears things up, good for magpul to license it instead of combatting fakes. Sorta like the drug war lol
I actually do own a full magpul PTS airsoft AR-15 for live fire practice.
They're pretty worth the money.
The Magpul branded PTS guns are considered a "high grade" airsoft gun. Comparatively speaking they're as good or better than most other high grade guns on the market.
They're 100% metal where they need to be metal to replicate the real thing.
The polymer components are as nice as they get when it comes to airsoft polymers since they're Magpul PTS branded items.
Airsoft build quality is "good enough" and what i mean by that is that they will hold up to whatever you're going to throw at them but they will never be as robust as the real articles simply because they dont need to be.
double post.
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If you want to put airsoft components on your rifle, then why stop there? Go with an airsoft red dot sight as well! ;)
This "debate" is so ridiculous it belongs on AR-15.com....:rolleyes:
Well said. There is a difference between a professional, enthusiast, and hobbyist. I think most people fit into 1 or 2 of these categories. I believe that is where the majority of differing opinions stems from on this site and the ensuing war of words. If your life is going to depend on your gear, then money should be no object and you should fulfill your mission objectives with quality equipment. If your life does not depend on your gear and you are doing it simply out of fun for the sport, then buy what you wish. There is a different level of expectation and that alone should justify the user's requirements.
Noveske does the same thing I would think with their air soft stuff....
There is some other reasons for MagPul to have airsoft marked parts as touched on... train with same equipment
you use airsoft m-4, pistol, shot guns set up the same as live guns
training tools some Mil. units/ PDs and others use airsoft to practice without the hazards of live ammo
or the cost of simunitions IE: less cost more training and less training hazards with. more training location
are open to airsoft. My unit did some training in Ca. last week with airsoft. use of live ammo or
simunitions would have made it to cost too much and hazards too high due to location of training
I've kept close tabs on the companies MagPul subcontracts these to - and I agree with this assessment, they are higher quality you need to fling plastic around, I have a few PTS setups already.
DanielDefense, Noveske, Barret Firearms, JP Rifles, Armalite (Then Eagle Arms), B&T, Arsenal, Stag, PWS, GemTech, just offhand, have similar licence agreements.
MagPul is unique in that they are part of the production process, instead of just having a liscencing agreement allowing a separate company to make licensced replicas
A quick search showed the airsoft items as costing more than the real thing (wte stocks). I am guessing this is because the materials are really good and it is a way to get around the export laws. Even with that I would never put aircrap on a real rifle, and thats why I still use iron sites.
See I have to disagree completely. I have been lurking on this thread seeing where it was going, and have now decided to commit.
Let's put your statement in the context of another outdoor activity: Jimbo Bob just wants to spend some time with his family on the road, and do a cross country trip in the end of June, early July. He's never been camping before, so he asks the guy at Cabela's to outfit him. After hearing what Jimbo Bob wants to do, and considering it is car camping, the outfitter suggests cheaper gear to save money on that portion of the trip. "Money is everything you know, and this Coleman sleeping bag, and tent are just as good for someone like me and you, since we're just hobbiests and all. It's not like your climbing Everest." Two and a half weeks later Jimbo Bob is traveling across the Red Dessert in Wyoming, and decides to car camp. Freak snow storm happens, and in his attempt to get off the dirt road, his car slides into a ditch. They pitch the crap tent, and use the crap bags to stay warm. Will Jimbo Bob and his family get through the night? Maybe, but maybe not.
When I buy out door gear of any kind I want it to be at minimum the lowest acceptable standard for a life and dead situation. Why anyone in their right mind would purchase something cheaper simply because they are a hobbiest not a professional blows my mind. What if you actually have to use it one day?
My life is full of stories like JimBo Bob's. People coming to WY under equipped or under prepared and either killing themselves of their family. :rolleyes: