Good...Cause I only bought the 9mm version osprey.lol
My HKtac with HEMS2 could use a new friend...or maybe a SpringerTRP Armory kote with blackbox would suffice.:eek:
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I would go with SilencerCo. They saw what the market wanted and MADE the can that the people wanted and made it quiet!
Now it sounds like AAC is going to go ahead with the Black Box because they now know it is definitely something people might buy. I have mixed feelings about it now.
What thread pattern does everyone recommend?
Don't get me wrong, we are not coming out with a blackbox tomorrow. We have always had the black box in various phases of R&D. The concern is making it right and having the performance be worth it... during testing of the Ti-RANT design, it was found to be as quiet and lighter than the proto blackboxes. So for performance, reliability, etc, the ti-RANT is king right now. For example, there are as many separate parts in the osprey booster alone as there are in the whole tirant.
There is some call for an offset can, but we will do it right. Interestingly, the main selling point for the offset can is that it clears stock sights, but the Osprey DOESN'T clear them on many handgun platforms- most 45s, SW M&P, etc.
It is a great time to be into silencers, there are a lot of awesome products out there.
Are you planning on threading the barrel on your UMP? I am in the same boat as you; looking for a .45 supressor for both my pistols and UMP but the sticking point is how to attach since the UMP has the lug.
Since you are also using the suppressor on a fixed barrel host (the carbine) you need to be careful to select a suppressor with a good fixed barrel adapter (FBA) mount.
The AAC Evo series suppressors have a less than perfect FBA solution. In my personal experience with many Evo suppressors (including .45 and 9mm) the replacement FBA that replaces the spring often allows for some very slight movement of the suppressor. Bottom line, there are four pieces that need to be on the tighter side of the tolerance specs for a tight lockup - length of the FBA, front of the piston shaft, depth to which the rear cap screws into the suppressor housing and the internal dimensions of the piston housing area itself. If any of those are undersized the result can be terrible accuracy groups on your target. The solution one buddy came up with was an o-ring on the back of the FBA to ensure a tight fit against the rear end cap.
The AAC TiRant solves the FBA problem. The TiRant rear end cap gets very tight against the FBA. In fact, it won't screw completely down against the body (but that is NOT a problem!). The slight gap between the housing and the end cap is normal. I have first hand experience with the TiRant 9mm suppressor and the FBA. I do NOT yet have first hand experience with the TiRant .45 suppressors and FBAs because as of now I have yet to see a production version of the TiRant 45. But I don't expect there to be a difference between it and the 9mm version.
I love the Osprey suppressors. They are very good performers. I got to shoot thousands of rounds through a pre-production prototype and then got the first production suppressors and ran one of those pretty hard too. I don't see any complexity issues with the design and the abuse I put one through on two different 1911s and a P220 lead me to believe it is a "good to go" product. They do have a FBA spacer but I have yet to get my hands on one and try it. Thus, I can't really recommend the product on a fixed-barrel weapon. I do agree with the comments that from a purely aesthetics perspective the Osprey design might looks a little "different" shall we say than a traditional tubular design. But, for some folks form follows function and they won't care.
Since it was brought up that the Osprey doesn't truly clear sights on some handguns I will say that on all the hosts I tried with the .45 version I did have one 1911 with pretty low sights and the Osprey top sat directly in line with the top of the host's sights. But I was still easily able to hit large gong targets at 100-yards with the setup. Now, on the 9mm version Osprey it did occlude the sights of my G19 more than the .45 did on that one 1911. But it still occluded the sights less than a Trident9 or TiRant9.
The SWR HEMS2 would be another consideration. I love the performance of this suppressor on pistols. I've never used the FBA spacer on a HEMS2 so again I can't comment here about it. I would love to know if anyone has first-hand experience with how tight the suppressor locks up with the FBA spacer in place.
Off all these suppressors the Osprey and TiRant will be the quietest when shot dry. If you are adding wet medium to them, the Evo-45 and HEMS2 are also really very quiet and excellent performers.
Sorry for the pre-coffee ramblings. I hope there is something here to help.
Mark
I don't exactly know if this is recommended but, a friend of mine ran the Ti-RANT 9 on a different friend's H&K MP5, and ran it full auto, and it was awesome.
It didn't even get that hot. Then again we didn't put that many magazines full auto on it.
PS- Ti-RANT .45s are shipping.
Not meant to be provocative, to be clear I congratulate them for bringing the Opsrey to market and having it be such a good performer. Everyone I've met from Silencerco has seemed great and enthusiastic.
My comment was more along the lines of our BlackBox prototype has been out there for years and the Osprey follows the general idea of it.
PS- I am also not claiming that the non-concentric silencer idea started with or ends with the blackbox
PPS- The Blackbox was put on the back burner because we were able to get even better performance in a simpler and more durable design with the Ti-RANT.