Seems the 223/5.56 Ammo. is drying up quickly at stores. Was told today Ammo. Mfg.s just can't get the bullets. Seems the price of materials is forcing bullet Mfg. to stop production.:(
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Seems the 223/5.56 Ammo. is drying up quickly at stores. Was told today Ammo. Mfg.s just can't get the bullets. Seems the price of materials is forcing bullet Mfg. to stop production.:(
m193 is hard to find right now! I assume its due to the war and not politics but it makes me wonder!
Yep! there seems to be a little shortage of 5.56mm/.223 in this area also.. For the reloaders though, the prices of projectiles seem to be about the same.. I just need to find time to sit down at the bench a little more often.. J.
I have still not got to the reloading point but it is getting close. It seems like everytime I get ammo I am half afraid to shoot it but like I said only half.
boxes of 20 went from 6 to 8 bucks. i have decided to get into reloading but of course i have loads of questions <-pun ;) anyways are there any reloaders here that want provide info?
Has someone heard this from a real person with a name who works for one of the big three (Federal, Winchester or Remington)? Or Hornady? Or Black Hills? If this is true, why don't they raise the price on loaded ammunition even higher to compensate for the higher cost of materials (bullets)? Or can the bullet manufacturers simply not get the materials (copper and lead) at any price?:confused:
I have not had problems locating new WW (Cabelas) or Hornady (Midway) 55 gr. FMJBT w/c bullets in 6,000 lots other than having to pay a higher price than a year ago. But that's just me.
I should have bought stock in the ammo companies, especially ATK.
Having some trouble here as well (CA) but a buddy of mine was able to buy a few boxes of 20's for a little over $6 at wally world - I'm sure they're all gone by now.
Hopefully things will change soon...
I just bought 5 20rd boxes of .223 Remington UMC 55gr MC at my local big box sporting goods store. Cost was $5.99 per box and that is the best price around these parts. They seemed to have a good bit on the shelves and also had some other boxes in 50 grain hollow points or 45 grain varmint loads. Didn't see any Winchester or Federal. Hopefully, I'll get back next week and pick up some more.
I'm planning on getting a .22lr upper or two. The issue isn't just price, but availability. I can actually shoot .22lr and get a few thousand rounds any day I plan to go shooting compared to months of waiting for .223 ammo.
As a reloader as well, prices of components are rising as well. Compared to last year at about this time, price per 1000 rounds of components have gone up 20-40 dollars, depending on what you are doing.
My 10/22's are getting a lot more use now as well.
Why does Iraq not buy their ammo from ADCOM right there in the UAE. I know they are willing to sell.
I need to get into the contract ammo loading business. That is alot of ammo.
Notice of Possible Foreign Military Sale
Blow all Saddam's 7.62mmX39, arm new security forces with Colts (to be made in Turkey, instead of Hartford) and sell them 226,000,000 rounds of 5.56mm: domestic ammunition control. Machiavelli could not have done better!:eek:
Didn't I read where our military is too politically correct to use IMI ammo in the GWOT:confused:
Then send it my way baby;)
Lets see, copper is over $3.70/lb right now compared to $0.80/lb in 2003. Thats an increase of over 460%. That effects brass and bullet prices. I guess we are fortunate that ammo prices haven't increased even more dramatically.
All metal prices are up significantly in the last 2-3 years due primarily to increased demand in Asia.
what do they need blanks for? (i know training) but seriously why cant they just get it from somewhere else, GET OUT OF OUR STOCK!!
edit: you would think in today's society someone would decide producing ammo would be a great business venture and start making money. i mean seriously how many ammo companies are there and why dont they just increase production?
My suspicion is that the war is increasing the demand. I know even most USGI training ammo is coming in commercial packed.
All of the real deal military ammo (on stripper clips, in boxes, in bandoleers, in a steel can, in a wire bound wooden crate) is going to the war. Everything CONUS for training is commercial packed.
Most of the head stamps I have seen are WCC (Winchester) or LC (Federal - Lake City).
Just think of the demand right now. Every unit going to the box is going to shoot a lot of training ammo. Then they will fire more training ammo in country as training sustainment. There will be some fired in actual combat. As NATO expands, our new allies and allies in waiting (can't quite join NATO - yet) are going to 5.56mm and in many cases we supply this ammo until they can get their national armories up to speed. Also, most armies have abandoned 7.62 MBRs for 5.56 assault rifles.
Then you have the US market. The death of the AWB and the war have taken The Black Rifle to a new level for the civilian and LEO shooter. The M16 platform is the undisputed winner for non .mil users too. The demand for 5.56 is higher than it has ever been.
http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressRelease...Iraq_07-20.pdf
Looks like OUR new Iraq army is needing to buy Ammo. And guess whos money they will use to buy it?:rolleyes: Answer ours:mad:
They already have the new rifles. (I think these are made by FN).
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ...0513121042.jpg
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Iraqi Army receives M-16 and M-4 rifles
Blackanthem Military News ^ | May 11, 2007 | Sgt. 1st Class Nicholas Conner, 13th SC(E), LSA ANACONDA PAO
Posted on 05/11/2007 6:44:12 PM PDT by mdittmar
CAMP TAJI, Iraq – At the start of May, Iraqi Army recruits at the Regional Training Center here began receiving new M-16 and M-4 rifles.
The Iraqi government made the decision to crossover from standard AK-47 assault rifles to the American rifles as part of the reshaping of their military and security forces.
Under the program, Coalition Military Assistance Training Teams issue enlisted IA troops the M-16A4, while officers receive the M-4. With 200 basic training recruits per rotation, CMATT officials estimate that 1600 IA soldiers will receive the new weapons by the end of May.
According to Lt. Col. Walter Easter, Military Transition Team commander and senior advisor to the RTC, the exchange is as much a symbol of the new IA as it is an upgrade to the individual soldier’s capabilities.
“The M-16 has long been considered the world’s best rifle,” Easter said. “There’s a high percentage of [Iraqi Army recruits] who can shoot more accurately than we expected just because of the better weapon system that they have.”
The weapon exchange is just the first step in a five-day program of instruction for the Iraqis. However, new rifles are not handed out in a one-for-one swap. Coalition Forces assign each IA recruit a weapon using a high-tech, biometric issue system.
Verified against a master list and having tuned in his old rifle, the IA soldier and his new M-16 continue on to one of ten biometric stations, where he is finger printed, undergoes a digital retinal scan and is photographed with the M16’s serial number. Officials then transfer the information to a database in Baghdad, to ensure accountability and to prevent the weapon from ending up in the wrong hands.
“We are very excited about it,” said a 9th Iraqi Army Division second lieutenant, whose name is withheld to protect his identity. “We have been hearing about getting the new weapons for some time and finally they are here.”
U.S. Department of Defense civilian contractors provide hands-on instruction modeled after the same training American troops receive. Familiar box drills, sight picture training and live-fire weapon zeroing provide consistent and effective basic marksmanship skills.
It does a number of things for the basic IA soldier, said George Conrad, an assistant team leader providing the primary marksmanship instruction. The better weapon system puts the IA forces in sync with coalition troops and it builds their confidence.
Conrad said they have all seen change and new equipment at the higher echelons, but now, the soldier in the dirt has something new, something tangible, in his hands.
“It’s a sign of hope that things are changing,” he said. “It’s something that needed to be done.”
Easter said that training at the Taji RTC would continue at the company-size level, with program augmentation at Besimaya Range later this summer for IA battalions.
I wish uncle suger would give me free ammo and a free M-16.
Air Force Right now until Sept then I get out. Do not need the Army gig yet maybe go Guard but Active I am done at least my wife wants me to be done.
its because of the war
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No we are not, this cannot account for the majority of the cost increase.
The raw materials cost does not even approach 50% of the cost of a case of 5.56. There may be 10 pounds of copper at most in a 100k case of 5.56. That makes $37 of copper in a case. The other 20 or so pounds are lead and powder. Copper is by far the most espensive raw material in the price.
Fair enough, but rising materials cost increases are always a good excuse to raise prices. Also, its not just 5.56 that has increased in price. There is no doubt that current deployments (and training) are consuming a lot of 5.56 ammo. But prices are also up substantially on nonmillitary rounds like 40 S&W.
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The dollar is down by over 30% since 2002. Our .gov prints them to pay for stuff and they become worth less.
China has over 1 trillion of these depreciating dollars in reserves as well. When they enter the market place to buy raw materials, it bids up the price, just as Iraq.gov buying 5.56mm with newly printed dollars bids up the price.
Anyone get a 30% raise lately? Thought so.:(
Lets face it we are in a mess.:(
I guess I'm lucky. I rarely pay for ammo, but I just stocked up on two 500 round cases of AE .223 55 grain FMJBT from sportsmanguide.com for $160 each to train with off duty. Better buy now before it gets worse folks.
submariner and his graph are correct. the dollar is in the toilet bowl. i feel this is mainly due to the u.s. being a consumer nation and not a producer nation. as such, the trade defecit is overwhelmingly huge and is affecting everything.
no change in site and i hear the sucking sound of going down the drain. buy gold, not dollars...
I'm curious ... and I'm no international economics scholar ... but is the EU overall a producer, or haven't they also shifted to consuming and providing services for the most part? If that's the case, they should be in a similar boat to us, and I don't understand why the Euro dollar would be doing well vs the USD for the reason of our trade deficit.
I wonder how much the currency markets are actually manipulated with malevolent intent (toward America) by the other big players.
https://www.kisermunitions.com/?page...product_id=186
Hope this helps someone with cash.:(Quote:
Originally Posted By JKiser:
The ammo sells for $439 usually...I price it at $399 to move it...the group buy is $329. There have been "problems" with group buys (involving ammo) in the past. So, they were hesitant to approve the group buy.Quote:
Originally Posted By GeorgiaBII:
I'm confused how is this a group buy? It looks more like a sale to me. Not trying to stir shit I'm honestly confused and interested. Thanks.
I have done at least 120 hours worth of work to make this project happen. It took Black Hills 13 months to deliver this ammo. I fronted all of the money and received all of the ammo ahead of time...just for this group buy. The result: pay money and get ammo. What could be simpler?
Or..in other words: This is the best thought-out, properly executed Group Buy to have ever occured on [TOS]! [:D]
The dollar is falling because we just arbitrarily print more to pay off debts. Money is no longer based with a sound fiscal foundation (ie gold). It's become a promissory note...more of an IOU. That might be fine and dandy in practice until you abuse it severely because now we have WAY MORE paper dollars than we have actual worth to back up that promise. When you arbitrarily print more money without the financial backing, then you devalue the worth of a dollar across the board.
Ron Paul calls it the sinister "inflation tax" because everything you own is devalued because it's all based on the US dollar. The government printing trillions of dollars to pay for its own bills is much easier than paying it with trillions of dollars of goods.