will Quick Detach Accessories will leave marks on the Rails?

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Originally Posted by Skang

There are many companies out there makes Accessories for you rails.

My favorites are LaRue Tactical, Tango down.

My question is, will their mounts with Quick release leave damage/mark the rails on the gun?

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Typically speaking, the smaller the contact area on the lever, the more likely it will be to leave a mark on your rail.


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Originally Posted by Skyyr

Mounts that have any type of sliding action against the rail WILL remove anodizing and therefore mar your rail. To the poster that said it was cosmetic only: it's not.

Companies like Nightforce specifically suggest avoiding the use of friction-based mounts (namely Larue), as the rail becomes permanently deformed (if only microscopically) and the mount must be re-adjusted over time.

I'm sure some of the hardcore Larue fans, as well as the function-first types will say it's BS and that it doesn't matter. A quick review of basic engineering will prove this is not only 100% correct, but it's expected from mounts of this design. In regards to it not mattering, that's subjective. If you safe queen your rifles or have precision rigs, then it matters just as much as the ammo that you buy for your guns. If you're a carbine-course regular who will shoot out their barrel in just a few years, then you won't notice. Either way, it does happen and it is a factor to some people.

If you disagree, call every high-end optics manufacturer (Nightforce, US Optics, S&B, etc). They will all say the exact same thing: They don't advise using the Larue-type QD mounts. I called Nightforce three weeks ago and got the exact same explanation from their tech-support guy (forgot his name).

Conversely, spring-based mounts do not mar the rails or leave such marks. Bobro and ADM are examples of mounts that utilize springs to keep tension on the rails. The downside to this design is the potential for the springs to wear down over time. Of course, as in the case with Larue mounts, this is greatly over-exaggerated, as it would take hundreds of on/off operations to weaken them. Note that this is not an issue with the Bobro mounts, as they continually self-adjust.

So why don't more people use spring-based mounts? Simple: more parts = more points of failure. That said, I've never seen ONE example of a spring-based mount failing in combat. Take it for what it's worth to you.

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Interesting post (especially about the mount recommendation from optics manufacturers).


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Originally Posted by d90king

What the hell is going on with this site lately?

Who cares if they leave a mark on your rail? It's a firearm, it's not meant to look pretty, it's a tool nothing more and nothing less. Do you care if your hammer has a mark on it from driving nails?

If a mount locks solid to my rail and holds zero, thats what I care about. If the mount leaves a mark I couldn't care less.

For the love of all thing holy this shit has got to stop.

For the record, LT mounts that are tightened properly WILL leave a mark. You know why? Because they are doing their job.

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Marks are just fine. Where the problem happens is if a pocket/dent is formed. As the weapon recoils, that pocket will continue to become deeper. Over time, the mount can become loose on the rail.

I have access to some high speed video of guns being fired. What goes on with mounts during recoil is shocking.


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Originally Posted by C4IGrant

Marks are just fine. Where the problem happens is if a pocket/dent is formed. As the weapon recoils, that pocket will continue to become deeper. Over time, the mount can become loose on the rail.

I have access to some high speed video of guns being fired. What goes on with mounts during recoil is shocking.


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LOVE to see those videos of that recoil if you have the chance to link it pal:)

QD and you actually remove the mount from time to time. Expect a zero shift.

QD and non-QD and you don't EVER remove the mount. No shift.

That's life, some don't like the truth but that's simply it.

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Originally Posted by TRIDENT82

LOVE to see those videos of that recoil if you have the chance to link it pal:)

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Maybe some day, but for now I will keep it to myself.



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I take off my AR optics all the time, most of which are mounted in Larue mounts. Quite honest with you I never cared how much of a shiney spot it leaves ....thats how I know which slot it goes in. Much easier than remembering the T mark.

The fact that it leaves a mark should not be an issue from a practical standpoint

I think the "high end optic " manufacturer statements must be taken with a grain of salt. A NSX 1-4 or a S&B short dot , any microscopic misalignment wouldn't make much difference for its intended use. Lots of these scopes in Larue SPR mounts

For a higher power scope on precision rifle why the hell would you use a quick detatch mount anyways ? Not like you have a iron BUIS

This is why most serious bolt gun shooter uses Badger / Seekings / Nighforce / Near rings and has a 65in lb torque wrench in their kit. Far more repeatable than any QD mount. Doesn't take as long as you think to remove optic

Keep in mind a bit of misalignment due to worn anodizing wouldn't make much difference on a AR with a 1-4 scope, but would make a difference shooting out to 1000yrds with a .5 MOA rifle

Most people who are using QD for AR are using Red Dots etc where the freaking dot is 2 to 4 MOA !

If you really really don't want any shiney spots then run a ADM . I have been happy with mine

Lastly back to the "high end" manufacturers . If you did speak to S&B you would know that they typically need 28MOA to 30MOA ( or 45 MOA for some models ) of slope in 34mm and non cantilever design. Have fun finding a QD mount that meets this requirement

As far as NSX, they don't really need the slope for 1000yds for 308 but most guys will use 20MOA. Nighforce makes this sloped unitized mount and obviously recommends it.

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Originally Posted by C4IGrant

Marks are just fine. Where the problem happens is if a pocket/dent is formed. As the weapon recoils, that pocket will continue to become deeper. Over time, the mount can become loose on the rail.

I have access to some high speed video of guns being fired. What goes on with mounts during recoil is shocking.


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What is the solution in todays mount market? I make no bones about preferring LT mounts and have never seen anything more than a light mark on the underside of the rail. They have always been great for my usage and have worked perfectly... Wouldn't the galling occur due to over tightening of the mount?

What are your thoughts on the new KAC micro mount, other than the sell your first born price?

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Originally Posted by d90king

What is the solution in todays mount market? I make no bones about preferring LT mounts and have never seen anything more than a light mark on the underside of the rail. They have always been great for my usage and have worked perfectly... Wouldn't the galling occur due to over tightening of the mount?

What are your thoughts on the new KAC micro mount, other than the sell your first born price?

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My suggestion is to select the mount that best fits your needs. So if you are happy with your LT mounts, DO NOT SWITCH.


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Originally Posted by d90king

What are your thoughts on the new KAC micro mount, other than the sell your first born price?

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I think for an AR, the LaRue T1 mount is hard to beat. I bought a KAC T1 mount for the adaptability on different weapons, intending it to be the last mount I ever buy for that T1. The increased cost was, to my mind, offset by the decreased (eliminated) future cost for additional mounts if I move it to an AK, shotgun, etc.

If I knew this T1 was going to live on an AR indefinitely, I'd buy the LaRue mount.