I read that out loud and my wallet just ran screaming from the room.
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I try to avoid telling anyone specifically what to buy anymore. I just tell them what I have tried, what I did or didn't like about it and what I eventually settled on (and offer to let them try it out if they're local).
So far, only one of them actually sprang for a BCM, but a lot of my shooting buddies have Glock 19's now...
Derrrrr! but the gunstore only has DPMS and Bushmaster, Derrrr! And the expert there tole me they were a STEAL at only $1400 out the door.... Derrrr!
The counter guy never even heard about now LMT, BCM or KAC. Them must be little companies that make crap! Derrrr!!!!
"And I really shouldn't even be giving it up for $1400, the boss is gonna kill me. But I wanna get you started off right..."
I hate that shit. I understand it's a business and they're there to make money but some of that shit borderlines on malicious. There's a good chance they're gonna figure out that you screwed them when they get on the net awhile down the road trying to figure why their new "top o' the line" rifle continues to have FTF's. So why not genuinely try and help someone make an informed decision and hopefully earn a loyal customer in the process? Unfortunately, I know that makes too much sense to be applicable in the real world.
Sorry to take this thing seriously off-track. I just get pissed when I see or hear about these things.
Edit: You didn't cross the line. Most times people already have their minds made up before they even begin asking for advice and anything you say that's contradictory to their pre-concieved notions is gonna fall on deaf ears. They're just looking for people to re-enforce their decision, no matter how absurd it might be. In turn, those are going to be the only people they listen to. It's basically an excercise in futility.
It's not just on other sights either. How many times have you seen threads started here where people ask for advice on a purchase and no matter how much advice and quality info they receive from others in the know end up buying a Double-Star or some equivalent?
Good advice, but as my old Doc used to say "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't suck its' ass to make it drink".
I would probably have tried to PM him.
Me too. Working in a gunstore I show them what we have. I explain the different attributes of each. I tell of my experiences with using them and working on them and let them make their own decision. Some brands we don't carry because we don't have the room, but some brands we just don't carry simply because they suck. We offer transfers for that junk. Some then get that junk (because their buddy has one or recommends it) and later come in to ask if I can make it run. The old saying is "pain is a wonderful teacher".
Sometimes that 'pain' is from a wound to the wallet.
I look at it like religion, just because you found a better way, if you go preaching it to random people they will get pissed off. Jehovah witnesses might have the best religion, but when they wake me up on a Saturday morning I want to shoot them in the face, and refuse to listen to them.
well i appreciate the info,sorting thru the AR possibilities myself,always leaning to the BCM,KAC side anyway,your information just reinforces my thoughts,although i have experience shooting ARs,I am looking to purchase/build one,kind of a fan of trying to do it right the first time too.So no you didn't cross a line,and yes your info has helped.