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When I originally wrote this I sent a link to both swfa (who i got it from) and leatherwood's customer service line. Within 45 minutes of that email I had a response from leatherwood. I've spoken to one of their people too. So the PRC thing, well, it doesn't worry me a bit. I trust that should I ever have a technical issue with this scope, they'll back it up. That lifetime warranty sounds really nice. hope i never have to use it.
I keep looking at your reticle pics and yours looks more even than mind in regards to illumination. I seem to have a darker area at about the 1 o'clock posistion.
I tried to take a pic of it, but I'm only working with an iPhone here.
I hate to send it in for something so trivial, but I may throw a line to Leatherwood and see what bites.
My girlfriend told me the reticle reminded her of a boob. I decided that i'm okay with it...
Added a pic of it mounted...
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I did send an email to Leatherwood about the illumination. I was told the reticle will not be perfectly even, as the illumination is done by coating the illuminated section of the reticle. They told me I could send it in and if deemed defective, they would replace it.
To me it's not worth the trouble at all. Most probably wouldn't even notice it.
I was at a local gunstore and I got to look through a Millet DMS. From the brief hands on time I had with it, I like how the Millet reticle is brighter. They both wash out in the sun though. The exit pupil is more forgiving with the DMS, so your head posistion doesn't have to be as perfect. The bold lines of the DMS makes tracking the reticle very easy and its quick(er) to pick up.
Overall though, IMO the CMR has a better reticle for precision shooting. If you are looking for very fast shots, the DMS may be for you. If you are looking for a 1-4x for longer range stuff, the CMR may be a better choice as the CMR reticle allows you to range in MILS and has built in bullet drop.
Glass to me was about the same, very clear. Not Trijicon clear, but for mid-range glass they are very good. Both scopes are a great value. I didn't get to compare them side by side. A lot of users are saying they like the CMR glass better. The DMS does seem to be slightly cloudy. I would give the CMR a slight edge on glass. I was pretty impressed the first time I used it.
I bought one and got it in. Looks like a good scope. Glass is clear and I really like the zero lock. I will be putting it on an MK12 MOD1 (Clone) build and trying it in about a week. A long time ago in the 1st Ranger Batt we used the Leatherwood scopes on the M21 and they were great scopes. Thats the main reason I tried the CMR. At 400 meters at's really clear. I will laser site it in to night. If it's as good as what we used back then it's a great deal:D
I am debating on buying this scope. How well does it hold a zero? How is the durability? I don't want to be worried about the scope malfunctioning in adverse weather conditions.
Thank you for any info.
Michael
I can't answer that yet, but trust me:D I most certainly will put it through a torture test that congress would put me on trial for. I plan on shooting it the h%ll out of it and then putting under water for 24 hrs 1 ft with it turned on. I'm going to put it in the frig and then take it outside and see if and condesation gets inside of it. I might bump it a little, but I'm not going to damage the scope. It's under warranty.
Can't wait to hear the results from that! I want to get a scope for my stg 556 and I think this might be the one. When do you plan on doing the torture test? That will most definitely decide whether I get it or not! I love the sights just am concerned with durability.
Many thanks,
Michael
I have an ART II scope made by Leatherwood in the 80's for my M21 clone. Great scopes! I will be getting a couple of these.
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From a recent range trip. 25 Yards, 3 rounds, no bipod or rifle rest. About the best I could do from a half ass improvised shooting posistion in a indor shooting stall.
The scope did good.
I wish it had lockable turrents. I like exposed turrents, but in my next scope I would want lockable turrents.
The clicks are a little mushy, but it works. The only thing I have to compare it to is a TR24. There just seems to be a little slop before the click.
I don't like how the return to zero works. Sometimes when tightening the screws its easy to turn it a click or two.
I used the red goop that came with my ADM mount on the mount screws, and 120 rounds later they were all loose to the point of barely being tight.
I cleaned them and re-applied blue locktite and I'll make another trip and see how she holds zero. I also want to check about POI shift between 1 and 4 power.
I also got to look through a Trijicon TR24. It's a very clear scope, more so than the CMR, but it is $500 more.
The reticle is what really sold me on the CMR. If Trijicon came out with something similar in the TR24 series they would own.
Ok I went to the range today. It was a little rainy and overcast and OH very humid. I shot using a grip pod and tried resting the stock on a 4x4. Didn't work very well. My good ammo did not come in so I used some PPU 75gr (Not the best ammo, but not the worse either). Next time I will be useing Blackhills 77 gr Match King. I zeroed the scope in at 100 yds and after that I shot 200 rds of the 75 gr ammo. That's not counting the 62 gr. M855 I shot (about 100 rds) With the 75 gr bullet weight I turned to the number 3 on top turrent and it was dead on at 200 yds it came to 3 numbers per 100 yds. as far as windage that depends on the conditions at the time your are shooting. Once I tightened the zero lock down it did not come loose and when I put it back to the number 0 it fired perfect at 100 yards
I could see 8in. gongs that were at 560 yds. I fired only 200 rds through it today. The 62gr. M855 POI was close to the 75 gr but groups avg. 3.5-4 at 200 yards. Here's a pic of a target at 100 yards with the 75 gr.. The group avg. is an inch and could have been a lot better if I could have stablized the rifle better. This was a last min shoot and I left alot of my stuff at the house. The scope did shoot as well at 300 yard as it did at 100yds though I had a little larger targets I could not see bright center of the small targets very well at 200 and 300 yds. It's a keeper so far.
Bottom line scope could shoot better than me today:rolleyes:
Top rifle Colt with Douglas 18in 1/7 barrel free float larue rail, Chip McCormick national match trigger and Hi Lux CMR with PEPR mount
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