TR24 beyond 50 yards

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Originally Posted by fullmetalredhead

I liked the TR24G so much that I just bought the TR24-3G to try the German #4 reticle. It seems to me that this scope has the opposite problem--it's better for long distance precision, but may not be as good for CQC. I've encountered differing opinions on this and want to test it out for myself. If I find I don't lose much for CQC target acquisition speed, then I may switch to the #4 reticle. I'm going to compare them both at short and long range.

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Yes, please post your results as I am on the fence about which model to purchase.

I have been shooting mine for just over a year now, and I still love mine (TR24G). It needs to be understood that this is NOT a "precision rifle scope", and if your main concern is shooting for groups you should look elsewhere. It is however a fantastic combat optic for engagements from 0 out to 300 yards.

For me, it really shines at CQB distance drills (0-10yards), as the big green triangle is super fast to pick up during rapid/multi-round shooting. I am as fast, or faster with the TR24G as I am with my Eotech XPS2-0.

I know there is some concern with shooting variable power scopes from unconventional shooting positions such as: SBU prone, roll-over prone, etc. in-that it is difficult to get a proper cheek-weld/sight picture. It can indeed be challenging to pick-up the triangle in 4x due to the need for a proper cheek-weld/eye-relief, but when set to 1x there is no issue at all. It works just as good for me as any reddot optic I also run.

It also works equally as-well at 50-200 yards. I zero mine with the very tip of the triangle @ 100yards.

At 300yards I hold approximately 12" over my desired point of impact. The bottom of the triangle seems to work as a point of aim/point of impact reference for me @ 300yards.

I was just out at a local National Guard range yesterday shooting from 15-300 yards. I really couldn't ask for a better over-all compromise for that entire range.

At the typical $680-$720 asking price on these (if you can find one!), I feel they are a complete bargain when compared to the other low power vari-power scopes out there on the market.

I have mine mounted in a LaRue LT-135 (1.93" height) mount, and I love it. I have no issues getting a proper cheek-weld on 4x with the higher mount, and at 1x it gives me a more "heads-up" filed of view which works out great for me during CQB stuff. Steve Fisher originally turned me onto this optic/mount combo and it works extremely well.

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Originally Posted by Nugentforoffice

I am all but sure a TR24G is my next purchase. With that being said, I am wondering how this optic performs @ 100 yards and out. Any experienced opinions? Thanks

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VMI-MO and I were ringing steel easy with it out to 100 with my FAL last weekend.

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Originally Posted by fullmetalredhead

The key to precision shooting with the TR24 (triangle reticle models) is to ensure that the brightness coming from the fiber optic cable is optimally adjusted. This involves closing the fiber optic shutter on top of the scope until the reticle becomes sharp. In a well lit environment, the reticle glows too much for the eye to accurately discern precisely where the edges of the triangle are (or, more importantly, where the very tip is). Even a slight halo from this glow will confound accuracy, and it only takes a tiny error to throw your shot off an inch or so. I had trouble shooting tight groups until I figured this out. Went from shooting 3-4 inch groups at 100 yards to sub 2 inch groups. Of course, for minute-of-man accuracy, it doesn't really matter if your shot is 1-2 inches off the center of mass. Furthermore, a brighter, glowing reticle is a good thing for CQC action. So there's a kind of trade off involved I guess.

I liked the TR24G so much that I just bought the TR24-3G to try the German #4 reticle. It seems to me that this scope has the opposite problem--it's better for long distance precision, but may not be as good for CQC. I've encountered differing opinions on this and want to test it out for myself. If I find I don't lose much for CQC target acquisition speed, then I may switch to the #4 reticle. I'm going to compare them both at short and long range.

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Any update on these. Has anyone done a comparison between the green and red triangles. I am having trouble trying to decide on red or green triangle. If i do "go green" which reticle triangle or #4 German.:help:

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Originally Posted by F.C.III

Any update on these. Has anyone done a comparison between the green and red triangles. I am having trouble trying to decide on red or green triangle. If i do "go green" which reticle triangle or #4 German.:help:

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I've owned 4 of these scopes--a red triangle (TR24R), a green triangle (TR24G), a green #4 (TR24-3G), and an amber #4 (TR24-3). They are all great scopes; I'm a big fan of the glass on these. Regarding the colors, I don't think you can really go wrong with any of them as they all are adequately effective. In a brightly lit environment, I find the red to be superior. But in darker environments, the green and amber hold the edge--they seem to hold their glow a little better in the dark. I would say that these differences are very minor. In perusing the boards, green seems to be the most popular color, but I'm not sure how well that reflects functional superiority over novelty. Many people claim that the amber "washes out" more than the other colors but I don't agree with this. The amber is fantastic.

Reticle choice here is far more important than color choice, and which is better all depends on what you intend to use the scope for. I love the design of the German #4 reticle on these--it's a great general purpose reticle for me. I find that with this scope, I primarily use the reticle itself (as opposed to the glowing dot) for aiming. The dot is very small and while it can be employed like an RDS in bright conditions, the same is not true in dimmer conditions. I'm not saying you can't see the dot in dimmer conditions, only that it wouldn't be as effective as a RDS optic a la Eotech, Aimpoints, etc. The dot is very important, however, as it allows you to find the crosshair center when the reticle is difficult to see (when aiming at dark objects or aiming in dim conditions). In contrast, with the triangle reticle, one can truly rely on the fiber optic system for quick target acquisition--that is, you can effectively employ it as an RDS. The larger surface area of the triangle (versus the small dot) allows for more efficient light delivery to the eye, even in dimmer conditions so you can bring up the rifle, put color on target and shoot. Again, you can do this with the #4 outside in the light...just not inside or wherever it is too dim.

The #4 makes for a fantastic hunting scope, but I would give the edge to the triangle for 3-gun, CQB, etc (fast target acquisition).

After zeroed, I fired a 10 round shot group that I could cover up with a quarter at 100 yards.

I think I am leading toward the triangle . Now to choose a color. I am used to red being that all I ever use is aimpoints and myTA31ECOS reticle is red. Does the grreen wash out in the woods. Is their any advantage in either color red or green? Thanks

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Originally Posted by F.C.III

I think I am leading toward the triangle . Now to choose a color. I am used to red being that all I ever use is aimpoints and myTA31ECOS reticle is red. Does the grreen wash out in the woods. Is their any advantage in either color red or green? Thanks

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If you do an advanced search for reticle color under the Optics forum, you'll get enough threads to read until you're bug eyed. You'll find answers to questions about reticle color that you didn't even know you needed to ask. I found https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...=reticle+color to be particularly useful.

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Originally Posted by F.C.III

I think I am leading toward the triangle . Now to choose a color. I am used to red being that all I ever use is aimpoints and myTA31ECOS reticle is red. Does the grreen wash out in the woods. Is their any advantage in either color red or green? Thanks

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I have never had an issue with the green triangle washing out in wooded areas. It's a completely foreign green to anything I have seen in nature. The big advantage of the green in my opinion is that the green tritium is brighter in low light than any of the other available colors.

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Originally Posted by snakedoctor

After zeroed, I fired a 10 round shot group that I could cover up with a quarter at 100 yards.

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Did you use the tip, and did you have to shield the fiber optic to make the triangle dimmer?