Since BCM does not make a 10.3/10.5 inch barrel, which brands would be a good choice for this length barrel? I have 2 DD CHF barrels, one Colt and one WOA. I am planning to run this build 90% of the time with a suppressor.
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Since BCM does not make a 10.3/10.5 inch barrel, which brands would be a good choice for this length barrel? I have 2 DD CHF barrels, one Colt and one WOA. I am planning to run this build 90% of the time with a suppressor.
I am planning on a 10 inch DD mk18 rail with a gas block and an AAC suppressor but I'm not sure what model. I have been leaning toward the DD barrel but only because I have 2 of them already. I'm guessing all of the better barrels mentioned will have the same sized gas port.
If its a dedicated, full time suppressed weapon buy a 16" barrel from ADCO and have him cut it to 10.5" for the smaller gas port size.
This is my plan anywho after emailing him.
Depending on end use, there are lots of reasons to go unsuppressed. This is often one of the difficult things to explain to vendors and manufacturers when discussing the commercial market especially.
While a SWAT team may always run their guns suppressed a commercial end-user may find many circumstances in which he wouldn't want or need the can. All one needs to do is compare sales of cans like the G5 and various AAC products with QD mounts to their direct-thread cans in the commercial market. Having the ability to easily add or remove the can is generally very important to most non-LE civilian buyers, or anyone making a private purchase for that matter.
This is, of course, the genius of the Switchblock. Rather than argue about whether or not a gun should be able to run with or without a can, or why anyone would want to do one or the other, Noveske realized the desire in the marketplace to be able to do both and they created a part to fill that void in the market. Smart guys.
Personally I think cans are probably one of the single biggest ways to waste money for the commercial buyer, but if you are going to buy one, I suggest finding a way to get the gun to run both with and without the can, or have two guns one suppressed and one non. If you're like me the utterly useless suppressed gun will almost never leave the house.
to the OP, if you're going to be running with and without the can, I'd suggest this. note the FH on the end of the barrel. If I was starting over today with the SBR/can thing I'd have a hard time buying anything other than this. Although another option that might be cool is to hog out the slot needed for the Switchblock on a Troy VTAC tube...
http://noveskerifleworks.com/imimg/lslp-556-sb_1d.jpg
I shot my Noveske 10.5 Yesterday on an M16A1 FA lower.
I ran it with and without the AAC M42000 and it functioned flawlessly.
There's just something about this Noveske upper that makes me prefer it over my Colt 6933 - 11.5".
I have the AAC Brakeout and an Eotech XPS on the Noveske.
___I forgot to give a shout out to Rob @ Virginia Arms in earlier threads for putting the Brakeout on for me.
VA had quick service and great installation and shipping costs -end Virigna Arms plug______but seriously, I would use them again:D
I know that the Brakeout makes muzzle rise practically nonexistent and fat chicks love the fireball coming out the business end.
I would by another Noveske SBR upper in a second.
The switch block is interesting, but I've just never had a problem with any of my guns running suppressed so I hate to spend the extra $$ on a solution to a problem Ihave not had on my guns.
Having said that, If I came across a good deal on a used Noveske with the switchblock, I wouldn't turn it down.
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I am not talking about it being dedicated. I am talking about cutting down a 16" barrel. I run my SBR suppressed almost all the time. However, correct me if I am wrong. Running any AR suppressed actually stresses the weapon more due to excess back pressure, correct?
I find that 11.5" is a happy compromise. IIRC 10.5" is about the lowest you can go and still get reliable fragmentation and reliability. With an 11.5" you get a little more Mv, plus reliability and I dare to say that most people won't notice the additional inch.
Most women won't notice it either. :p
The main reason for a can with me is the blast of an SBR (especially with an AAC Brake to save some of the blast baffle). Without it its just murder shooting under the awning at the range.
And Iraqgunz you are probably right with the 11.5". In fact I may very well go that route, although the Noveske 10.5" Switchblock upper is pure sex too, just its another $1500 on top of a $1100 can with the tax stamp.
Just to clarify, my intentions for this rifle is to shoot steel at my house. I have to run it suppressed all the time because my house is on the boundry line of a town where you can't shoot. Every time I shoot, someone calls the police and they come out and realize it is not their jurisdiction. I want to have this rifle to run unsuppressed because if I'm at a class, a high round count with an attached suppressor is going too dirty the gun up quickly.
You can't go wrong with a BCM 11.5" build in my opinion. I haven't cleaned my SBR (we have been out shooting 3 times in the last 45 days or so.) and it is still running good. I used this upper.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-B...g-11%20bfh.htm
Robb at Virginia Arms cut the front sight base down so the rail would cover it.
I used a BCM BCG and initially had a BCM handle on it. I swapped over to the new updated PRI latch. You can see a current picture of it in the thread about 10.5/10.3 Inch Barrels here in the NFA section.
IG what can are you using?
Would you mind taking a measurement for me? I'm looking for the distance from the top, front edge of the upper receiver, where the gas tube comes out, to the back side of the suppressor when mounted.
Disclaimer: Rob, I know you are a knowledgable and respected person on this forum, and I'm a newbie, so this is not an attack of any sort- I'm always smiling and just like hearing different opinions. :) And I don't mean to hijack the thread- I say go with a 11.5".
Now, Rob I don't think you could be more wrong! :) I just ordered two YHM suppressors (5.56 and 7.62) this week, and I think tomorrow I'm going to buy the Surefire FH556 that's in stock. I have two cans already, and I went camping with friends this weekend. The only long guns that got shot more than a handful of times were the ones with cans. I came back vowing to not buy any more guns until I had cans to fit on all of my favorite rifles.
Shooting with a can is, in my opinion, the preferred method, and the only reason to shoot without one is when traveling to a place like CA where they are illegal. One of the reasons I don't schedule training there too often....
Why would you consider a suppressed gun useless?
I have to admit that I haven't run a two day carbine course with my can attached for the whole time, but I would like to, and I'm not afraid to try.
I am running an LMT 10.5" with that rail...
http://i977.photobucket.com/albums/a...8/8324a52e.jpg
Same rail setup but with DD 10.3" and NT4
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/...a1b91be8_b.jpg
I think a suppressed gun is the way to go and would like for all of mine to be suppressed. I just can't afford it.
I guess it depends on the kind of shooting you're doing and the environment you're doing it in. For me they are one of the most useless, but at the same time "coolest", things you can add to a rifle or carbine.
What I've seen in classes is people start out with the can attached and then remove it, or install it at some point and then take it back off again. This is usually due to one of two reasons; malfunctions and weight. Guns are already getting pushed relatively hard in some classes and adding a can which pushes more garbage into the chamber only increases the number of malfunctions. and even some of the biggest/toughest/in-shape guys get sick of that extra weight on the end when going from low ready to firing over, and over, and over again.
If your regular shooting involves beingout in the woods or out on the range with buddies plinking or running drills for a few hours I suppose there's some application there provided everyone shooting and all the guns are suppressed so that perhaps nobody has to wear ears (prolonged 5.56, even suppressed, isn't truly hearing safe though IIRC). That's not how or when I shoot so the can to me is useless, and is only attached to my HD gun because I already own it and it's not going anywhere.
Suppressed rifles are generally a pleasure to shoot. Especially on an SBR the difference is amazing.
That said, despite who i work with, i like to have the option of usuppressed shooting, mainly for times that I am shooting with other unsuppressed people, maybe in a class, etc and i feel like carrying as little weight as possible.
I've had 10.5, 11.5, 12.5, and 14.5 5.56 SBR ARs and despite the handy length I've come to not really like shooting them much. (Mainly after spending a week shooting the 9" 300BLK, but i digress...)...
Back on topic, I see the attraction and my ideal short 5.56 setup would be a 10.5" noveske with switchblock, our Brake or Brakeout and an M4-2000 can.
Going to 11.5 is not a bad idea either, as you'll gain perhaps a little reliability with weaker ammo and a few extra yards of frag. And with a good can, you still end up shorter than a 16" with flash suppressor.
If I were making a primarily non-suppressed SBR, it would most likely end up 14.5... I know that's not sexy and all, but the usefulness in terms of extra range and still-reasonable length is worth it.
YMMV
IG do you have a pic of your setup? I looked but cant find it, you post too much to search through your profile:p
It just so happens that I have it posted just a few threads up from this one.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=63206
Anyone know what the frag range is with 5.56 75gr TAP out of a 10.5" barrel off the top of their head?
I LOVE my Noveske 10.5 CQB and DD 10.3, but for whatever reason, my DD is way dirtier than my Noveske, its still 100% reliable, but when my gf runs it for classes and we use the same ammo, there is just a ton more crap in it.
I would vote DD or Sabre for the money