http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...1024-Stick.jpg
A1 length with SOPMOD cheek weld and QD sockets.
http://www.magsllc.com/storename/mag...-10721924.aspx
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...14de38ef2f%2C1
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http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...1024-Stick.jpg
A1 length with SOPMOD cheek weld and QD sockets.
http://www.magsllc.com/storename/mag...-10721924.aspx
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...14de38ef2f%2C1
Very interesting, would love to see if it feels like an A1 SOPMOD
I am very interested, but it needs a QD cup up front for single point use, and I hope they are going to incorporate the cheek as storage like the SOPMOD or Vltor stocks.
Very interesting. Now it all depends on price and quality.
just saw that now, thanks for bringing it to my attention.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...1024-Stick.jpg
1) is there any watertight (or close to) storage? that is one thing the tube style storage can pull off easily with O-rings
2) I wonder how durable the latch is, I think i would have done a turnkey style requiring a flat (first thing i thought of was my cellphone back) http://mobilenewz.net/wp-content/upl...gby-II-ATT.jpg
Either way, I am looking forward to this stock, I have been in dismay at the lack of A1 stocks with QD sling options
ban stater here diggin' it.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3824674_n.jpg
I have a vltor on my 6.8, and it's got it's ups - 1.don't have to use battery compartments on both sides, 2. can fit on a mil spec receiver extension, 3. good hook to grab with a front rest 4. almost unlimited sling options - but it absolutely requires a cheekpad or a clean shave! also no built in butt pad, I had to buy one to put on.
I like the look of this stock. I've got a A2 mod stock and sometimes wish I had gone with the A1. I would like to see some user feed back on these.
Also quite interested. I'm not sure I have a rifle it would make sense on, though...
Is this a fixed stock? Didn't see any mention regarding this in the product description.
If you are using a rifle length gas system this works with the existing buffer tube. Not meant to be a replacement for a collapsible, its to replace a A1 or A2 fixed.
Does it just mount to a standard rifle buffer tube like it appears? I can see swapping out the old surplus A1 stock on my current build for one of these in the future. I don't really care about collapsible stocks for this build since it is more of a rifle build anyways.
From what I gathered, yes it attached via screw to the factory rifle buffer tube.
Looks like Brownells has them in stock.
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=4...ED_FIXED_STOCK
I don't know about every "ban state" M4s, but there are a few carbines that have been posted on here, as well as my own, that have an extended buffer tube that is longer (way longer) then a collapsable MilSpec tube. However they still run off of Carbine length buffers. Mine has an H buffer in it. The internal portion of the tube isn't machined to the end of metal. I'm assuming, and the consensus of "assumption" I have gotten from shooters here in NY is that they are rifle buffer tubes that are machined to accept a Carbine length spring.
Long story short it's a pain in the ass.
I'm looking at this and the Vltor and thinking that in order to make this a viable option on a ban state rifle like my own, I will have to replace what ever joke of a tube they put on my rifle, before I can install this piece of kit. I wish this wasn't the case, but I'm thinking it is not going to be an easy install for those of us with pinned "compliant" carbines.
If someone on here is willing to tell me otherwise please inform me and others.
For those in ban states that are looking to purchase this though, I would suggest doing some serious measurements research, it may not be as easy of an install for us, as it would be for people with more freedom to tinker.
For me, all and all with the time in rounds down range I have with my pinned stock, and after doing some measurements I'm thinking I wont get much benefit from the investment. If I build a new carbine I'm all about it, but at this point I think the fixed M4 stock is working.
I suspenct he's writing about the full length receiver extension found on Colt MT6400C carbines. The stocks are pinned in the extended position. The internals of this tube are machined in such a way that the buffer hits a block or dead-end where a normal carbine receiver extension would end.
My understanding is you could slide the stock on the existing carbine/dead-end receiver extension and have the comfort and storage of the new stock. You would still be running the carbine H buffer and spring in the same mode as before.
My opinion is that if you are going to change receiver extensions, get a Sully fixed stock, unless you must have the A1 length. Or get a carbine extension and set an adjustable stock in place and pin it in the shorter length.
Stickman,
My experience level is with my compliant MP15OR rifle bought in the summer of 2008 in a ban state. Having to struggle with upgrades due to things about my gun that I wasn't aware were different from a typical M4 when I bought it, and 90% of these upgrade problems have been a result of the buffer tube. Rather then explain it here are some quick photo's illustrating my concerns:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3575/img3580j.jpg
This is my M4 stock on the tube. Notice the allen nut.
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2387/img3586y.jpg
This is with the hex nut removed, and the stock "collapsed" all the way to the castle nut. Notice the buffer tube sticking out of the back?
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6033/img3588d.jpg
This is a quick measurement of the tube installed. Notice that it is 9 7/16" long installed.
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1918/img3589b.jpg
This is the view of the only hole milled into the tube. This hole is threaded to accept the allen nut.
I can tell you that this tube is also not milspec in it's diameter, and I know this because I purchased a Midwest Industries rear sling attachment to install on it, and the tube is too big to accept anything that has an internal diameter for a mil spec tube.
The buffer spring for my carbine is the length of a carbine spring. And the internal length of the tube is much much shorter then 9 7/16". I am assuming that it is the same length as the inside of a Carbine tube.
Do you now see my reluctance to purchase something to install on this tube?
There is no information with the rifle regarding what the specs of this tube are, and when you purchase something for a tube, all you ever get in a description of the product regarding install information are statements like "Fits A2 Tube". I was emailing back and forth with MidWest Industries a couple of months ago trying to answer my question, and to no avail.
So there you have it, that is what I am talking about, and what I am warning people about. I haven't gotten a straight answer out of any trained professionals regarding what this tube actually is, so therefore I have to make assumptions, and I think it is valid to warn people with similar set ups in ban states that this may not be as easy of an install for us, as it is for others.
Well, that clears that up...it ain't a Colt. :) Interesting way they did it and similar to what my MT6400C was like, with the stock extended and pinned in the long position.
I'm saying this nicely, so please don't take it the wrong way. Your knowledge base is lacking and you are misunderstanding things. The fixed stock that this thread is talking about uses an A1 receiver extension. You are warning people about a problem that does not exist, it flat out isn't there, it never was.
If you want to start a thread about your specific piece that doesn't work with other stocks, it wouldn't be a big deal, but to come into this one and talk the way you have been has done nothing but derail the thread.
I'm sorry your current receiver extension sucks, but that has nothing to do with the EFX-A1. If you want to use a stock like this, it uses a rifle extension.
And that is what I was asking. Thank you. I was also stating that it isn't an "easy install" for ban state owners, and will require the purchase of a new buffer tube. IE increasing the cost. Considering that ban state buyers are most likely the primary civilian market for this product, I think this is something that could be addressed for us ignorant end users.
Thanks Stick for clearing that up.
My main questions center around durability. I've never heard of this company before. I assume the main body of the stock is strong enough but what about the latch on the storage compartment. Does it rattle, does it seem like it will take a few years of use and still work.
Can you take a measurement from the back of the receiver to the end of the rubber pad? I'm considering replacing my Vltor A2 modstock, would you say this stock seems to be up to the quality of the Vltor?
Thanks
I hadn't asked before, but since you have this stock in front of you:
-what kind of quality does the plastic seem like? Something good like that used in standard M4 stocks, or Magpul or VLTOR products, or something that looks/feels not as good?
-does it come with the screw that you need to use to connect it to the buffer tube? (for people wondering why I'm asking, that screw is presumably shorter than the one you use with an A2 stock, so you would otherwise need to buy one separately)
I'm not in a ban state but this stock looks cool and might go well with a 20" rifle build I'm contemplating.
The overall quality of the polymer feels decent, it does not have that cheap feel of imported toys or anything like that. However, I'll also point out that I have not done drop testing or anything else with it.
Mine came with the screw, but mine was not in original packaging and was sent to me by a friend.
I can't give an answer for if it will be as durable as Magpul or Vltor stocks. I would personally like it better if the stock has battery storage tubes, but I know that would bump up the price quite a bit. Maybe down the road they will offer two versions, one with, and one without.
I'm not sure on the length, it might be listed on their website. I can't find the stock at the moment to take a measurement.
I love it.
Found this pic of it on a Stag rifle in their SHOT Booth.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...1-21130749.jpg
I was at that booth while a 350lb duffel bag was throwing it up over his shoulder so he could show his friend what that stock could "really do". I can only assume that it was some attempt at a parade drill that he had seen in a movie or video game.
It was a classic example of why SHOT Show should more restricted on many different levels. On a brighter note, I had a great time talking with the guys at Stag, very nice people.
I was thinking maybe people should have a "Party Card", or "Manifesto" or something to get in. Or a permission strip from a Tier 1 trainer...??? Your right something needs to happen. Retinal scans should be a given.
Aren't fat guys that can't properly hold a rifle the primary bread and butter in the AR world???