A push for national firearms carry.

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

02-02-11, 13:47
chadbag

Quote:

Originally Posted by 500grains

Religion is much more dangerous than guns as it has been responsible for many more dead bodies through human history than guns. (but let's not get sidetracked on this)

That is actually politics in the name of religion.

But, to not get sidetracked, back in 1994 a bunch of us worked up a bill we tried to get introduced. Our local Rep here in Utah did not want to get involved in gun related issues (and he was later defeated) and it never went anywhere but at the time we had a whole crew lined up across the country to work on this if we could get it introduced. It was namely that any federal building that wanted to prohibit firearms had to provide anonymous safe storage facilities. We were calling it the "keep firearms off the street" law...
02-02-11, 13:49
Sry0fcr

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaceWindu

That's a cop out, esp when you already LIVE in a state where you can get a CCW. Of course your "fine" with that.

Yeah, in these financial times it's economically feasible to just "sell your house" and move. No.

If we don't hang together, we will surely hang separately.

It's not a cop out. If you want change you need to make it happen on a local level and not empower the Fed Gov to stick it's nose in even more areas where it doesn't belong. Whether or not moving to another state is economically feasible is a personal matter and ultimately boils down to how bad you want it. Don't misunderstand me, I think everyone should be able to carry but in accordance with their state/local laws (whether you like them or not).
02-02-11, 13:52
Sry0fcr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar 319

Correct...until you travel outside that state.

Example: Utah Resident Permit and surrounding states. It is honored in AZ, WY, ID and CO. It is not recognized in CA, NV, or NM.

There is the problem. Of the states listed, CA, NV and NM are the states I would want to be armed in the most.

I choose not to travel to states that don't recognize my CHL.
02-02-11, 14:04
MaceWindu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sry0fcr

It's not a cop out. If you want change you need to make it happen on a local level and not empower the Fed Gov to stick it's nose in even more areas where it doesn't belong. Whether or not moving to another state is economically feasible is a personal matter and ultimately boils down to how bad you want it. Don't misunderstand me, I think everyone should be able to carry but in accordance with their state/local laws (whether you like them or not).

I don't run from a fight. I hold my mud. If we turn tail and run, then ultimately we will run out of places to run. Agreed?

MW
02-02-11, 15:04
Iraqgunz

Exactly. If a drivers license has to be recognized then why isn't a state issued permit to carry a firearms recognized?

I wish that all of the gun orgs would band together and challenge this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadbag

The solution is to force the recognition of state permits across the country similar to the way drivers licenses must be recognized. I believe it has something to do with "Equal Protection" under the Constitution.

Instead of the fed coming up with its own national CCW, go the equal protection route.
02-02-11, 15:09
Iraqgunz

After NV changed their laws I just decided to get a Nevada non-resident permit.

Between the three I have, I am good to go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oscar 319

Correct...until you travel outside that state.

Example: Utah Resident Permit and surrounding states. It is honored in AZ, WY, ID and CO. It is not recognized in CA, NV, or NM.

There is the problem. Of the states listed, CA, NV and NM are the states I would want to be armed in the most.
02-02-11, 15:13
500grains

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadbag

Instead of the fed coming up with its own national CCW, go the equal protection route.

I think the applicable principle is 'comity', which arises from this phrase in the Constitution: "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

Examples of comity: Marriage licenses recognized across state lines, driver's licenses recognized, etc.
02-02-11, 18:57
Buckaroo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadbag

The solution is to force the recognition of state permits across the country similar to the way drivers licenses must be recognized. I believe it has something to do with "Equal Protection" under the Constitution.

Instead of the fed coming up with its own national CCW, go the equal protection route.

This ^^^

Through this

Quote:

Originally Posted by 500grains

I think the applicable principle is 'comity', which arises from this phrase in the Constitution: "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

Examples of comity: Marriage licenses recognized across state lines, driver's licenses recognized, etc.

Also agree that a federal law that restricts the limits states can put on carry areas might work. I am just worried about the states that have/want lots of restrictions getting their way.

I get nervous about getting the Feds involved since they can put such pressure on a state though funding. (drinking age laws for example.)

I tend to consider this a States Rights issue personally but would agree that the Constitution should be followed. (Novel I know!)

Buckaroo
02-03-11, 02:47
citizensoldier16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iraqgunz

If a drivers license has to be recognized then why isn't a state issued permit to carry a firearms recognized?

Very interesting point of view, and one I had never considered before. It would be interesting if one state did not recognize another's driver's licenses, not to mention CCW permits.

Although, as I'm writing this, it comes to mind that, at least in NC, CCW permits are issued by the county sheriff, not the state. However, they are recognized state-wide. In NC, they are labeled "NORTH CAROLINA CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT" as well as bearing the NC State Seal. This may present an interesting conundrum. Is the permit issued by the county, or by the state? Granted my permit has NC at the top, it also has the county in which I live plainly displayed, and the back is signed by my county Sheriff.

On one hand, if CCWs were issued by the state itself, it could make an argument that they should be accepted across state lines much as a driver's license. However, since (at least in NC) CCW permits are issued by the individual counties, yet accepted by the state...that blurs the line between CCW and DL in terms of multi-state acceptance.

Maybe I'm wrong...I'm just thinking out loud as I type here....
02-03-11, 10:18
Honu

Quote:

Originally Posted by chadbag

The solution is to force the recognition of state permits across the country similar to the way drivers licenses must be recognized. I believe it has something to do with "Equal Protection" under the Constitution.

Instead of the fed coming up with its own national CCW, go the equal protection route.

that would work :)

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page