THIS REALLY PISSES ME OFF

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Originally Posted by chadbag

Do a little research. There is a strong correlation between cost of university and government student aid. The more aid the government gives, the higher the prices go to attend.

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That is a fair argument to make. But its kinda like the chicked/egg argument, what came first? Was it increased schooling costs that in turn drove the increase in need of government aid? Or was it the other way around? Research shows that the cost of attendance at institutions of higher learning has increased approximately 109-121% from 1971 to the year 2000, an increase that has not been matched by federal assistance programs. Additionally, most federal student aid is in the form of loans, with interest, not grants. I think its pretty hard to make the argument that helping people who want to go to college to better themselves is not a sound investment which will in turn better our economy and country overall.

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Originally Posted by Belmont31R

Its already practically free if you're poor or a minority.

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Are you a minority? How do you know this? What evidence do you have to support this?

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Originally Posted by rickrock305

Yea, that would be genius. As a country we are already falling behind the rest of the world in education. Why not just seal the deal and make sure nobody can afford to go to college! We can all be a nation of unskilled and uneducated slaves, yea that will really show them!

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hmmm not going so well these days compared with times in past when we were farther up the ladder comparing to others :)
to many lefty teachers worrying about teaching how to be a lefty than teaching what people need to know

so blame the left for the issues cause thats who is in charge at schools now and the proof is in your words we are falling behind

need to get teachers that just teach not make their kids go to protests teach them how their parents are wrong teaching them about lies like global warming and so on

as far as the money ? well more now than ever its been easier for people to get in and we have gone downhill compared to the past ! so thats proof the lefts way of privilege is not working

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Originally Posted by rickrock305

That is a fair argument to make. But its kinda like the chicked/egg argument, what came first? Was it increased schooling costs that in turn drove the increase in need of government aid? Or was it the other way around? Research shows that the cost of attendance at institutions of higher learning has increased approximately 109-121% from 1971 to the year 2000, an increase that has not been matched by federal assistance programs. Additionally, most federal student aid is in the form of loans, with interest, not grants. I think its pretty hard to make the argument that helping people who want to go to college to better themselves is not a sound investment which will in turn better our economy and country overall.

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funny how the teachers now make more than ever yet preach to the rich to give away their money yet they are making way more and getting way more benefits so blame the unions and the teachers for the rising costs and their greed (they meaning most union and higher ups) and with that making the education system so expensive

hypocritical dont ya think :)


I agree people need help but do not just give it away to who ever
join the military ! they will help
get a good scholarship etc..
in my days many put them selves through school just fine and many did it with jobs that people wont take these days or cant get cause illegals do those jobs instead ! our society with its PRIVILEGED attitude is to good to wash dishes or bus tables and they want that CEO position NOW and dont think they should have to work up to it etc..


help people out I agree with but they should at the first sign of things going south such as dropped grades below a certain point any kind of arrest and conviction they get dropped etc.. and then make them pay back what they stole from the system !!!!

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Originally Posted by rickrock305

Are you a minority? How do you know this? What evidence do you have to support this?

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how about just look at California and what they are doing for illegals compared to US citizens !

How about instead of looking for people to blame we worry about solutions. Then maybe try some grammar and punctuation to form your stream of consciousness into a coherent thought.

Yea, those greedy teachers making $20-$40k a year. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Belmont31R

Its already practically free if you're poor or a minority.

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As someone who was forced to leave Western Illinois University (one of the cheapest 4 year universities in the state) in his 3rd year because he ran out of money and hit the limit on unsubsidized loans (as well as subsidized loans and grant money - the grant money only covered about 50% of tuition by the way) I take exception to this.

Granted, I'm not a minority, so I can't speak to that, but I can tell you that the notion that college is "practically free" for the poor is a damn lie. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Mac5.56

Your right Steyr,

Every university professor in the country is exactly the same.

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I don't recall saying that. But the vast majority have a similar "socialist" mind set and the ones who don't are for all intents an oppressed minority.

And it isn't just some theoretical socialists who think "communism could work" who have no real world understanding of what it actually is. It is the fact that people like Ward Churchill and Bill Ayers (who is an actual terrorist who killed people) are professors at Universities who are contributing to the formation of opinions. To say they are promoting a socialist agenda is too kind.

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Originally Posted by rickrock305

Par for the course. And the iron is that these same folks have no problem trashing people like John Kerry and his military service.

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I don't think anyone trashes John Kerry for his military service. I've seen the circumstances of some of his decorations brought into question. And I've seen his involvement with Hanoi supported "peace movements" such as Vietnam Veterans Against The War brought up (and rightly so as it is likely treason). But I don't think I've seen anyone criticize his military service.

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Originally Posted by rickrock305

Yea, those greedy teachers making $20-$40k a year. :rolleyes:

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Are you a teacher? How do you know this? What evidence do you have to support this?