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London Riots
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
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Reason #10,987 why to leave the cities and go rural... And they keep counting.
Rmpl
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This is what happens when you don't provide a moral foundation upon which to live (note: I am not talking about Religion). When morality starts to become relative, each person gets to rationalize their behavior and you get this sort of thing.
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We're already seeing it in the form of "flash mob" robberies.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
It most definitely would be different.
But the nanny state mentality is a big factor I think. People get used to the idea of the state providing everything and so see these sorts of actions as legitimate when things don't work like they expect and people don't get all the handouts (note that the UK is cutting budgets and "services").
I think a heavier handed police response would only push the resentment higher.
I don't know the details, but the news report I read said that the guy who was killed by police, which killing supposedly was the catalyst for this, was being investigated for a "firearms offence." If the laws were more US like (free US, not commie US), maybe there would never have been a "firearms offence" to investigate and start this whole thing (?) That is what I have been thinking about for a while now.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
It would most certainly be different. I think some might be more hesitant but the big thing about mobs is the irrationality. So I think most would not hesitate. I do however think the outcome would be different:cool:.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
I believe we are currently seeing it. Some differences but look at Milwaukee, Pieoria (I can't spell:no:) and the flash mobs in Philly and other major cities. While these are not exactly apples to apples, I think there commonalities to make the connect.
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Caesar and Abraxas touched on the current events inside CONUS. I think this could easily happen here and we may not be too far away from something like this happening in our own country in the near future.
The riots and demonstrations in Greece didn't happen that long ago...
Don't forget what happened during the Paris riots with the Muslims in 2010 and 2005, biggest 2 I can remember, where a shitload of cars were torched along with buildings, thousands of assaults, etc. Google "Muslim riots Paris" if you want more info.
Europe is basically a powder keg and we're not too far behind...
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Abraxas
I really wish this whole time thing would get fixed. It makes it a pain in the ass to follow a thread
Need to up my meds, I didn't notice anything wrong with the flow of the conversation.
Just last week we had race riots in Milwaukee, a Life Flight helicopter take a round over Ohio and guy pull an AK out and pepper a bus. It's here already.
Like I've mentioned many times, this crap doesn't happen in Texas. Draw your own conclusions and prepare appropriately.
I wonder if all the new Castle Doctraine, Hold your ground laws and increased CCW will change things this time?
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Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
What do you mean "could"?
LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
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It can and probably will happen CONUS. I've heard rumors that the rioting is not just in London, either. Other UK urban centres may be impacted.
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Maybe I am missing something here, but the riots are supposedly over the shooting by the U.K. police of a teenager or something. Not sure of what tying of the hands exactly your buddies are referring to. I am in now way doubting what they are saying, but I just don't have the frame of reference they do.
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I really wish this whole time thing would get fixed. It makes it a pain in the ass to follow a thread
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Originally Posted by
GermanSynergy
It can and probably will happen CONUS. I've heard rumors that the rioting is not just in London, either. Other UK urban centres may be impacted.
Great, I'll be flying into Manchester Sept 24 then taking the train north to Harrogate to visit a buddy of mine from here who is stationed there.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
Might not change the big picture much, but it would definitely change things on an individual basis like with the Koreans during the LA riots. There was still rioting, they just went where it was safer to riot.
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http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londo...#ixzz1UTXZZiBk
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Looting and pillaging has taken place on an unprecedented scale, leaving many buildings burned to ground and shops emptied by organised groups, and has been attributed to criminal gangs, with the spread of violence across the city labelled as "copycat criminal activity" by the Metropolitan Police.
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Originally Posted by
Irish
Caesar and Abraxas touched on the current events inside CONUS. I think this could easily happen here and we may not be too far away from something like this happening in our own country in the near future.
The riots and demonstrations in Greece didn't happen that long ago...
Don't forget what happened during the Paris riots with the Muslims in 2010 and 2005, biggest 2 I can remember, where a shitload of cars were torched along with buildings, thousands of assaults, etc. Google "Muslim riots Paris" if you want more info.
Europe is basically a powder keg and we're not too far behind...
Two my of friends(who are sisters) are French citizens were in Paris in '05 around the time of riots. They met some French-Algerian dude at a cafe, after some wine and bread, he looked at them and just said, "wanna f- some stuff up?" They dont even care, just a reason to cause meyhem.
There has to be a way to marginalize the "activist" and separatist groups..I was reading RFR earlier and found the activism manufacturing section, the organizers have to be out organized.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Does anyone think we could see this happen here?
I was in the Battle of Seattle (WTO 99) so I say it damn sure could happen here... and there is no shortage of anarchists that wanna make it so.
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Originally Posted by
ThirdWatcher
I was in the Battle of Seattle (WTO 99) so I say it damn sure could happen here... and there is no shortage of anarchists that wanna make it so.
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
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Following the tweets and FB posts of a few friends who live in the UK. They are pissed off. Pissed off at the rioters and the ineffectual police. As one said "They have one copper walking a beat all by himself and 4 officers dedicated to telling people what politically correct words they are allowed to use." Apparently the shit bag that got shot was just that. So the Bobbies killed the UK version of Rodney King. Now add in the "pain" that folks are feeling over what austerity measures have been taken by the government to control spending (it wasnt much) and folks are reacting to being cut off from their gub'mint cheese so to speak. The marxists and others are in there right now stirring shit up to make sure it doesn't calm down any time soon.
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this is what happens when you have a large number of unemployed youths with too much free time. Waiting for any excuse to go out and break stuff. Europe has permanently high unemployment.
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London violence spreads to two other cities
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Originally Posted by
Irish
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
So what. Anarchists are garbage with feet.
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Correct. One situation. Unfortunately from what I have been told the police are really not allowed to "police". All you need to do is watch the current coverage where the police are simply standing by doing nothing because they are afraid of being arrested or hauled in front of a committee.
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Originally Posted by
Evil Bert
Maybe I am missing something here, but the riots are supposedly over the shooting by the U.K. police of a teenager or something. Not sure of what tying of the hands exactly your buddies are referring to. I am in now way doubting what they are saying, but I just don't have the frame of reference they do.
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Britain burns: Riots spread through UK cities.
http://news.yahoo.com/britain-burns-...013736610.html
Wisconsin state fair riot, whites singled out and attacked, 05 August 2011.
Caribbean Day Festival in Washington DC erupted into an utter riot on the streets of our nations capital, 25 June 2011. Lot of Youtube vids, search there as the national media had a total black out on the matter.
Beat whitey night at the Iowa state fair, 24 & 25 August 2010. Google it as media again had a black out on the matter.
It's happening with greater frequency. Check out these stats. . .:eek:
http://violentflashmobs.com/
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Originally Posted by
SteyrAUG
What do you mean "could"? LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
Exactly! It is starting to feel like the the late 60's here again to me.
Edited to add: Not that the riots have started, but that I believe we could be heading there.
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Originally Posted by
Irish
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
No offense intended, but I'm not interested.
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Originally Posted by
11B101ABN
So what. Anarchists are garbage with feet.
They dont have the brain power to understand their own position.
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I think it could definitely happen here. I think the last event that happened here that is most similar to this the 92 LA riots.
This kind of scenario is what I am "preparing" for, and I would like to be able to protect my homestead and family if this does occur.
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
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Yes I can absolutely see it here and in fact I predict it soon enough. These idiots riot over football games, etc. So you just wait until inflation kicks in big time as the economy continues it's fall and/or eventual collapse of the Dollar.
A catalyst that i can see as a possible point of ignition is the inflation that we have right around the corner in our future - predicted to be major to severe. When their welfare or unemployment checks will shrink in value to the point where they just aren't enough to pay for what inflated prices will bring (a $1000/month welfare check today in conditions of extreme inflation will bring it's actual value down to $100-$200 in todays dollars - they'll be starving, etc and riots will follow in rapid order).
I live 35 miles from the nearest town of any size in the mountains of the high desert. The cities will be a nightmare when these riots begin, with mobs torching everything in sight. The military will be required to put it down.
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Mentioned in another thread, but I will never understand the logic of getting your revenge on the police by destroying your fellow mans/neighbors/friends homes and businesses.
Way to go, you bunch of toolbag loser 'rioters'. I think something like this could happen for a few hours here tops, before they'd be getting tear gassed and barraged with other non-lethal munitions.
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A few different posts have touched up on what the problem is.
1. Decades of socialism and they don't have the money anymore.
A. They are ineffectual and have taken the pride & independence out of the people.
B. They got everyone hooked on free everything, and now they can't keep paying for it.
2. Mass immigration into Europe from the 3rd world.
A. Immigrants are not adopting their host country as theirs, and taking in their languages, values, and ideology. They setup little versions of their own country. The problem with that is their home country is a 3rd world shit hole. Our early immigrants came from civilized societies with similar values to our own. Mass immigration by the 3rd world means you setup 3rd world ghettos in a civilized society. Our early immigrants had a shared lifestyle, value system, basic religious tenets, ect.
I believe it was sometime in the 50's or 60's where we basically cut off western European immigration to a trickle, and started in with the 3rd worlders. I know my family came here in 1948 from Holland. Now, unless its by marriage, it would be virtually impossible for that to happen now. Read about the rural towns who have been taken over by Somali immigrants, and its bound to happen here sooner or later on a scale like this. On my second deployment all our interpreters were trying to take part in a program to get US citizenship. Its friggen unreal. The west is committing mass suicide. When I was in Germany no one liked the turks. They had their own sections of towns that were "theirs". They don't give a shit about Germany or German culture. Read about the the rape epidemic in Sweden. Some once thriving and nice towns there are overrun with middle easterners, and where crime was scare the numbers have exploded particularly sexual crimes against natives.
While what that guy in Norway did was appalling I believe this is what he was fighting against (in his mind). I suspect as more of this goes on the nationalistic side is going to become more prevalent. Only so many people are going to sit by why their towns get taken over by the 3rd world, drugs become rampant, and their daughters get raped on their way home from school because some muslim thug thinks raping a non muslim woman isn't wrong. They go out on the streets destroying entire blocks because the natives aren't as accepting of them as they want, they want to be given jobs instead of doing it on their own, and they are basically holding their host countries hostage. Unless you appease them and think everything they do is ok they'll burn the place down.
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Originally Posted by
chadbag
Reuters UK is/was running a live blog. It looks like some individuals with a less than skewed moral compass have been helping the Police with "intel".
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Heck then what is the point? Other than investigative work the police would be useless. Although, I personally think we need to head a little in that direction, but only a little bit. I do appreciate our LEO's out there, but I feel this country is becoming ever more a police/nanny state.
Although I never understood why people like those rioting there are burning down their own neighborhoods. That is the same as getting pulled over for speeding and getting angry that the officer pulled you so you burn your car? :no:
Retards...
Oh the looting too! "I got an idea, why don't we go and rob the stores and get us some nice new shoes..." six months later they are bitching at the cost of the shoes in the store because the store has to recoupe their losses. :suicide2:
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Originally Posted by
Iraqgunz
Correct. One situation. Unfortunately from what I have been told the police are really not allowed to "police". All you need to do is watch the current coverage where the police are simply standing by doing nothing because they are afraid of being arrested or hauled in front of a committee.
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I remember those. I guess I probably worded it wrong and should have realized just how similar some of those events are to the current shitstorm in London.
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Originally Posted by
SteyrAUG
What do you mean "could"?
LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
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Bear in mind this is a country where a soccer match isn't really a soccer match unless a drunken riot breaks out.
Hooliganism is a national pastime and this is a perfect opportunity for roving bands of drunken, unemployed youth to go apeshit.
That said, it's just sad and senseless. If I were pissed off and itchin' to "take it to the man," I'd at least go out to where "the man" lives and burn his ****in' house down, as opposed to running out into the street in front of my house and lobbing a Molotov cocktail through my own picture window. :confused:
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Apparently this is an alien concept to many of them. They're "stickin it to duh man" by burning and looting shops in their own neighborhoods. When it's all said and done, the hapless British taxpayer will be on the hook to fund the reconstruction of the looted and torched areas.
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montanadave
That said, it's just sad and senseless. If I were pissed off and itchin' to "take it to the man," I'd at least go out to where "the man" lives and burn his ****in' house down, as opposed to running out into the street in front of my house and lobbing a Molotov cocktail through my own picture window. :confused:
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Individuals -- even the relatively stupid ones -- are quite often capable of reasoned discussion in a one-on-one setting.
Mobs -- even those comprised of people with whom I might otherwise have much in common -- are irrational, volatile and almost always prone to destruction.
I've no idea why this tendency toward objectiveless rebellion is so hard-wired into our natures, but it seems that we're sure to see more of these kinds of displays (at home and abroad), given the present trajectory of our society at-large.
Kind of makes a certain level of preparedness seem a lot more mainstream, when you get right down to it.
AC