I have this same sentiment.
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Damn man, I don't get some of you with your wet dream of wifey blasting bad guys with her ar or backing you up. Maybe you even consider doing some structure clearing with her, 2 man cqb you know! The stated purpose is for her to have a reliable rifle to plink with from time to time. Shooting 100-200 rounds does not make her capable of the tactical ninja stuff you guys are picturing in your heads. If she wants a dedicate home defense rifle, fine, put down $2000 for a 6920, light, a good optic, and hopefully some training. That is not the stated purpose though.
I set up a simunition scenario with a buddy and my girlfriend. I won't go through the scenarios that we played out but suffice it to say without strong communication (coming in - come in when returning I bedroom door for example), I got painted by her plenty of times. And we weren't getting all crazy or anything. Most of the times, I was going to investigate a noise and she would go to her position in the bedroom with her g19 (g17t for scenario). Sometimes there was a gunfight and the bad guy made it to the bedroom and sometimes it was me that made it back. She only won once and I got shot by her twice. I don't feel like detailing our setups but we found many areas to improve and expand her training to improve our chances of survival against a (in this case highly trained) assailant without blue on blue.
What I am trying to say is that mall ninja crap is bad enough, stop trying to induct your wives/girlfriends into your ninja world when all she wants to do is shoot 100-200 rounds a year plinking.
Edit: the scenarios I am referring to were played out in anticipation of children in the near future. Otherwise, we have a plan to barricade ourselves with an escape route since I have no reason to leave the room as we have no other family members to protect in the home.
Samba-lee - You sound like a good man, hopefully some of the ar gurus here will be able to help you out. I'm sure there is a reasonable solution for you whether it's a different carbine or just upgrading the carbine in question with quality parts.
I know you mean well, but my wife has won multiple combat pistol & rifle trophies. She's not a beginner, just getting older and weaker and out of practice and out of date like me. We now live on the border where home invasions are a common occurance, usually involving 3-9 armed Mexican bad guys. Dope busts here are measured in tons instead of ounces/keys. A bust a couple of weeks ago took 5 Sheriff Office PU's and a van to transport the dope back to HQ! It's a lot more dangerous down here on the Tex-Mex border than the national media lets on.
I wasn't talking to you man. I have no idea what made you think I was.
And my girlfriend is a great shooter too, I was talking about the people who were taking what you said the purpose for this rifle was to a combat level. Your stated purpose was plinking 100-200 rounds a year, not home defense. So if your op was incomplete and this rifle is for home/self defense, let me know and I'll throw in my endorsement for a 6920.
And for the record, I think lots of women shoot great. My girlfriend does. But throw in stress, chaos, and realism and marksmanship doesnt cut it. But the experience gave us areas to focus on to improve our home defense strategy. And you're absolutely right, there is no substitute for experience. I'm sure you and your wife have a great hone defense plan worked out. I wasn't talking about you.
Simba,
If you are planning on having this for a back up or a weapon for you wife to back you up, do you really want to cut corners?
I get it that she is getting older and needs something lighter. But, there are options that do not include buying shit like DPMS.
I'd also like to say that 100-200 rounds rounds per year isn't very much at all. If she can't get the practice time for whatever reason then ask yourself how effective will she be?
I'm not trying to get down on you. I'm just pointing out a few things. Most experienced shooters will tell you that shooting is a perishable skill. Even guys who shoot ALOT of rounds every year say this.
sboza,
He actually didn't specify what the weapon was going to be used for- or at least I missed it.
In any case though you don't have many posts you should be keenly aware of what M4C is about. Check out our Mission Statement sometime. There are alot of us who take the AR and shooting in general seriously. If you choose not to, that's cool. But, down start shit with others who are trying to tell the OP not to waste his money.
My bad brother, sometimes my Internet language doesn't come across as I intend. I didn't, for a moment, mean that the op should not upgrade or get a more suitable rifleif he so choses.
You are right, I based everything I wrote off an assumption: that at 100-200 rounds a year, the indented purpose was plinking.
With that, possible incorrect, assumption, I was upset at people telling hin that he needed to get rid of the dpms and buy a much more expensive rifle. So that is my bad. I did say in my last post that if the gun is for serious use, go for a reliable rifle (6920 for example).
I don't use crappy rifles and I would not advise anyone to do so. Given the immense ar knowledge and experience on this forum, and with my assumption of the shooters purpose, I thought the op may get some help on upgrading his rifle in a cost effective way (as cost seemed to be one of his concerns). I am a certified armorer for the ar/m4/m16 but only so I can be knowledgable in my weapon system. I don't work on rifles on a daily basis so I did t know how to directly assist the op. Probably should have kept my mouth shut.
I apologize for making an assumption which may well be incorrect. Please don't think that I ever meant to indicate that the op would waste his money by buying a quality rifle. I never said that and I have no problem with anyone spendig har earned money for hobby or profession.
And I don't post much bit that doesn't mean I haven't been around for a while. Some people just rubbed me wrong in this thread and I suppose they were just doing what I did, assume an unstated purpose and arguing from that point of view.
Thanks for the check, I deserved it. Damn assumptions.
Ha, my number may be a bit off. My last rifle, a le6920, was a gift from a cop buddy when he heard that I plan on le for the next step in my life. At the time, price were still a but jacked up. He paid 1200 and shipping and tax I assume. I just paid a $25 transfer fee. I'm glad prices are good right now. May have to buy another before the election madness.