1/7 and 1/8 are gtgI wanna try out a 1/8 18" some time. Probably won't tell the difference with my skillz.
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1/7 and 1/8 are gtgI wanna try out a 1/8 18" some time. Probably won't tell the difference with my skillz.
Muzzle punch optional.
Rocket,
Thanks for the input. Well, to be honest and to answer your question, it's a little of both. I like to bring attention, or discuss is better term, new release ARs. I am in the market for a new, or very well maintained used, patrol rifle for work. The new VTAC-II has the upgrades I was wanting for the most part and it's already completed and ready to go. However, my department only allows certain brands to be used at work. Since joining the department, they have expanded the list just past the ABCD & RRA brands. They now authorize Noveske, KAC, LWRC, BCM, DD, LMT, S&W, and still authorize Colt plus the others. I know with any of the Colt, KAC, BCM, LMT, and DD lines, any of them will serve me well.. I am just trying to pick through the ones I want more than some of the others. All the people who have given their thoughts and opinions have been very helpful... Hope this clarifies some things... I am more than likely going to grab a Colt LE6920, or SOCOM version, with the "M4 Carbine" rollmark. Don't want all of the restricted mumbo jumbo either... Or, I will just build me a nice BCM mid length, with BFH, and call it a day. Have never owned DD nor LWRC, and never the privilege to own a KAC or Noveske... However, the Noveske 14.5" Light Carbine Basic or 16" Light Recce Basic are very tempting to just use as my base, get an Aimpoint PRO and save $ for all the other upgrades I want in the future.. Have never really heard anything negative about Noveske, KAC, DD, or BCM. My Colt, in combat, served exceptionally well and was definitely accurate enough to get the job done.. Just stuck is all... ;-) Trying to find which manufacturer to go with for the basic build is where I am stuck currently.
I have a 1/8 rifle and havnt had issues with it even using 75gr hornady(meaning no keyholes or seeming loss in accuracy but I was more doing function check and not really looking for accuracy). I really think that in most cases the 1/8 would be great.
Having said that does anyone think that maby out of a 16" barrel it may be pushing it to go 1/8 if using 70gr TSX? It seems I saw some pics from a0cake with a BCM 18" using the heavy TSX but I may be wrong.
Just to clarify I was asking a question not asserting any experience with the TSX.
You can never make anyting idiot-proof, whenever you get close they just build a better idiot.
As this thread develops so does my opinion.
It really comes down to price-point and performance.
The gun comes with a lot of stuff that, while I am sure they are able to purchase for far less than the consumer, would be additional cost to the end-user if that's what they wanted.
I'm going to estimate that the total value of the non-standard and additional items would run about $350 over a standard parts layout.
So that $1950 drops to about $1600 MSRP as a base carbine.
Still a little high, but still MSRP and with a decent HG and seemingly decent barrel. Knock about $200 off for an estimated street value and it's not too bad ($1750/$1400), especially if they can drop it down to about $1600.
It isn't how I would choose to lay out a carbine, but what it does have is decent, and there are certainly worse ways to go.
What about a Larue Tactical Predatar? I heard it is top quality, extremely accurate and starts at $1500.
LT carries the sling, mounts, and muzzle devices to make the PredatAR very similar, but with that you're paying for a more expensive upper receiver/handguard setup that requires more machining, a slightly more expensive SS barrel, a billet lower, and the slightly pricier MagPul hardware. Still a good choice, but it depends which application you have in mind.
There is a LOT right with the VTAC package, they just need to figure out the price point that makes it competitive since very similar offerings from DD, BCM, Noveske, Centurion and LT are all below the initial listed MSRP and use identical or better parts, but drop the price down to where it's competitive and comes with a sling, light, light mount, Aimpoint PRO or Micro for under $2000 and it starts to look extremely solid.
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