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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    I was under the impression that this was basically the advantage of a 1/7 twist ratio.. I'd imagine manufacturers would have considered the 1/8 twist before jumping to 1/7, especially if it's 'better'. So, with that being said, you're implying that S&W is ahead of Colt, BCM, LMT, Noveske, and KAC in terms of barrel technology? 1/7 is the new 1/9?
    I don't think it's a matter of S&W being ahead of the others, but more that they aren't building to Mil Spec which requires a 1/7 twist rate for the M4 doesn't it?

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    cool!

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    Frankly, we're off in the weeds on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by KCBRUIN View Post
    I don't think it's a matter of S&W being ahead of the others, but more that they aren't building to Mil Spec which requires a 1/7 twist rate for the M4 doesn't it?
    If I could go back in time I would make the 1/9 barrels go away and make everything 1/8. It would reduce the internet minutiae obsessing to barely audible background noise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Frankly, we're off in the weeds on this.



    If I could go back in time I would make the 1/9 barrels go away and make everything 1/8. It would reduce the internet minutiae obsessing to barely audible background noise.
    But if you did that what would Bushmaster sell?







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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Frankly, we're off in the weeds on this.



    If I could go back in time I would make the 1/9 barrels go away and make everything 1/8. It would reduce the internet minutiae obsessing to barely audible background noise.
    Nice! Haha... Indeed we have digressed. Anyone else have some input and thoughts on the new VTAC II by S&W M&P?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wa22ioR View Post
    MTDawg,

    Yea, but it isn't overly awful if you think and add up all of the upgrades you would do to make a rifle like that... The handguards are roughly $180, the Geissele trigger is $240, Troy BUIS is $120, VLTOR IMOD is $100?, VTAC accessories and sling another $100? So not overly bad when they, the rifle, can be had for $1600 or so..
    Admittedly, I haven't done the math. Assuming a good street price it could be a decent deal as the rifle is a very nice combination of components. The barrel in particular is very interesting to me. I followed the same logic when acquiring my SR15 a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtdawg169 View Post
    Admittedly, I haven't done the math. Assuming a good street price it could be a decent deal as the rifle is a very nice combination of components. The barrel in particular is very interesting to me. I followed the same logic when acquiring my SR15 a few years ago.
    Yea, a friend of mine, whom is in the loop with connections to people, lots of people, stated he was told the barrels are made by Obermeyer Barrels for S&W... Obermeyer has extensive knowledge with 5R rifling barrels... Now don't go and assault me, I am just telling what I was told. Would be really nice though.

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    i have extensive use with the 5r barrels just not in 5.56 works fine but it isnt any better that any thing else that is done with care imho if the company takes pride in assembly

    weight you can get a ddm4v7lw ( got mine for 1149) that weighs 5.78 pounds and is hundreds less and way better cs in my experience

    at 100 meters i shoot 0.63 5 round group out of a ga precision 7.62 gladius 18in barrel muzzle break blah blah blah but this is a bolt gun yet i have a rem 700 5r military overrun rifle and i cant get it under 1.32 inch 5 round group so the rifling means nothing but i can see in my groups the difference between a 900 dollar rifle and a 4300 dollar rifle

    for the cost of this new vtac rifle you can get a basic noveske and a t1 if you want a accurate m4

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    I can say this for a fact- S&W is not doing type 3 hard coat anodizing.

    I have seen a colt and S&W upper and lower get media blasted. The S&W just blew off like blowing dust off a shelf. The colt took WAY more time.

    Not sure if this is still the case since they now apparently do their upper/lowers in house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    https://danieldefense.com/daniel-def...ine-v7-lw.html

    I am a big fan of the 6720 as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    1/8 is a pretty popular twist rate with precision barrels, including BCM.
    It stabilizes anything that can fit in the magazine more efficiently than 1/7 apparently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wa22ioR View Post
    Beat me to it.
    Warrior, based on this post it's obvious you have more than a basic understanding of rifles and the AR platform.

    So with several more proven viable options, why would you be considering the S&W?

    Bringing attention to the new offering (which is an improvement) I get..
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