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    Pre '86 Question

    This is a completely hypothetical question asked of me by a friend. We are both genuinely curious, and I figured I'd ask it here to get a broader spectrum of speculation on the topic...

    If a stash of unregistered M16's came up somewhere, and were manufactured before the 1986 ban, can they legally be registered and entered into the circulation of firearms currently obtainable by normal citizens? I guess my main question is pertaining to value projections when purchasing a full-auto, because my thinking was, "If I spend $20k on this M16, and next year they enter another 10,000 rifles into the market, have I lost a lot of my investment value?"

    So, is it safe to say that nearly all of the pre-'86 weapons available to the market are already in the market? And if someone DID unearth a huge supply cache full of "legal" full-autos, can they be entered into the market at this time?

    I know it's not a very technical issue, but we were genuinely curious...

    Thanks for any insight on the matter!

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    Nope. If it's not registered then it's contraband and will be destroyed. The only thing that could change it would be an amnesty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Nope. If it's not registered then it's contraband and will be destroyed. The only thing that could change it would be an amnesty.
    That's good news in a way, for collectors anyway. So there's no type of current registration process openly available for them? I'm assuming that when that bill passed, they offered a timeframe to register them, and if they missed the deadline they were out of luck?

    Thanks for the help!

    Now, what type of amnesty are you talking about?
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    Negative. If they are not registered and in the registry already that's it. In 1968 (IIRC) there was a brief amnesty to allow people to register bring backs. It was poorly advertised and explained to people.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert0989 View Post
    That's good news in a way, for collectors anyway. So there's no type of current registration process openly available for them? I'm assuming that when that bill passed, they offered a timeframe to register them, and if they missed the deadline they were out of luck?

    Thanks for the help!

    Now, what type of amnesty are you talking about?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Nope. If it's not registered then it's contraband and will be destroyed. The only thing that could change it would be an amnesty.

    Not necessarily destroyed. But they would be post bans and could never be transferable.
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    I was just quoting the BATFE party line that I read somewhere when it was asked.

    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Not necessarily destroyed. But they would be post bans and could never be transferable.



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    I find it odd that this law hasn't been changed or updated or repealed after all these years. Are FAs really that evil?
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    FA's are a form of Government Monoply. It all depends in what day and year paperwork was written for a certain serial number which determines who can have what.

    If M-16's were discovered in that manor, they could go be used for LE, Military, or Post Dealer Samples, OR, be stripped and the lowers destroyed with the rest being sold as parts kits.

    I'm a Claas 3 FA owner, and it pisses me off that the Gov has created the monster, it's a form of testing the waters for all gun registration. (Last part is just conspiracy, but with an open mind it makes sense)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I was just quoting the BATFE party line that I read somewhere when it was asked.

    I know the typical ATF line is "surrender or destroy" but there are a few options.

    You can lawfully donate them to a museum or LE agency. And in the case of a "discovered batch" they would probably be government or agency owned so they could also be sold to SOTs with a PD letterhead.

    But the important thing for this discussion, as you noted, is there is nothing that will make them transferable to individuals. At best they could be cut into parts kits and we'd see a flood of uppers similar to the cheap M-16 uppers CDNN had about 5 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotrodder636 View Post
    I find it odd that this law hasn't been changed or updated or repealed after all these years. Are FAs really that evil?

    The problem is the law is attached to FOPA 86 and related to the 1934 NFA and if you open it up for change we stand to lose FOPA and they stand to have the 1934 NFA overturned and nobody on either side wants to run the risk.

    We'd be much better off going after the sporter clause in the 68 GCA.
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