The Tough Choice: Noveske Vs Daniel Defense

[Tzoid]

what he said ^^^

[kisskaren]

BIG thanks to all of you guys! I have already learned a lot!

My lower is done, Mega Billet with EMOD A5 kit. I only have a LMT Rear Sight, I think I will RIBZ my rifle at 55/200 yards.
Now I still can't afford an Optics / suppressor, I want to spend money on the upper/barrel and ammo.

itllgrowback, sir, thank you for sharing your experience!

[Tzook]

So, you want the nonsensical gov't profile barrel, and say that it's important to you, but you don't care about whether the handguard / rail is free floating or not?

Don't take offense, but this kind of indicates that you're probably not sure what to be looking for. I'd research barrel profiles a bit using the orange search button, and also look into free float vs. non free float. I think you'll ultimately switch your priorities around.

Beat me to it.... This is good advice. Take it.

[kisskaren]

I decided to buy a DD M4 V7 Upper Gov't profile.
I Google and find it on Rainier, midwesthuntersoutlet , midwayUSA and D&T arms.

[Alaskapopo]

I want to purchase a quality Complete Upper to finish my personal first build, please help me choose between Noveske and DD.

Use:
--Range/dynamic shooting 0-600yards.

I really Want:
--16 inch mid-length Chrome lined cold hammer forged Barrel;
--The barrel must be Reliable, Durable and Accuracy!!
--I prefer Gov't profile.
--Affordable Price.

I'm not too concerned about:
--Has A2 fixed front sight or not
--Non/Free Float Handguard
--AAC blackout or A2 Birdcage (can't afford suppressor)

So:
--Noveske 16" Light Recce, BASIC Upper
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin...status=&title=
--Daniel denfense V7 upper
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=sho...roduct_id=2967

Which one? Why? Where I can get it at a good price? my older brother has a military ID, but I guess maybe somewhere will have better price. Thanks in advance guys! Finally, I will have my own AR, I don't need shoot my brother's guns anymore!! : )

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I know you are not concerned about free float but you should be as this greatly improves practical accuracy. I also hate fixed front sight posts. Get the DD and when you shoot the barrel out (long time) then get a Noveske Barrel. I have owned both DD and Noveske guns and I prefer Noveske but with the choices you gave me the DD is set up more to my liking.
Pat

[Bonez556]

You really can't go wrong with either one. They are both very nice but if it were me I would go with a DD. Their uppers and barrels are VERY high quality. I'm not saying noveskes aren't or anything. I think noveske is a very good option as well. I'm just a big DD fan. If you were going to build a more precision gun that you wanted for group shooting I would suggest a noveske upper with one of their poly barrels. Just my .02

[AKDoug]

I agree with the above. You really have to decide what kind of rifle you want. I've been torn for months about wanting a long distance hunting rifle I could combine with a self/home defense rifle that I could take carbine classes with. After lurking here for months I figured out quickly that the two really can't be had in one rifle. Sure, a hunting rifle will defend you, but the optics choice on one wouldn't be the ideal choice for a combat weapon. Likewise the combat rifle isn't going to reliably make 300 yard hits on coyotes and foxes if it's properly set up for defensive uses.

I want a lightweight rifle for my defensive carbine. That means a CHF lightweight barrel. A barrel like that, while accurate enough for it's purpose, isn't going to give the satifaction of a good long range barrel.

It all boils down to the fact that it's difficult, if not impossible, to get what you need out of one rifle. Which is exactly why I am saving my dollars to get two rifles.

If it's a CHF lightweight barrel you want, than the difference between the Noveske and DD isn't much and it's pretty much a coin toss.

If you want a more precision barrel and move away from the CHF lightweight barrel, Noveske is really the only choice between the two.

I just ordered a DDM4 V7 for my defense/training rifle.

[Seth247]

DD if your money is important to you, Noveske if it's not. Both will kick ass and take names.

[TehLlama]

The DD V7 is a great choice, and in all fairness Noveske will build uppers with DD handguards if you're willing to wait for them to put yours into production - both are top notch.

As many have suggested, paying for a Noveske upper that doesn't use a FF handguard is a bit silly if you're looking for accuracy, but with their proprietary SWS handguard, the TROY/VTAC models, or any of the DD FF units makes the Noveske a true tack driving option... not that the V7 is any slouch in that department either.

The V7 is the right choice - you'll have more cash in hand to spend on ammunition, and will be better able to avoid junky optics (again, out towards 600yd poor glass means piss poor results).

[kisskaren]

Appreciate for all the replies! I ordered a DDM4 V7 URG, and can't wait put my hands on the MFR handguard.
Since I only want a CHF barrel, the difference between DD/FN barrels performance < their price diffrence.

Maybe in my next Stainless Steel build, I will use a 20" Krieger, Pac Nor or lothar-walther barrels.