Originally Posted by
Mike Adri
I dont really now why are everyone here almost obsessed about windshield glass... Soldiers rarely have to shot someone through automobile windshields as no one in their right state of mind whould count on glass to protect them from bullets... It is more about crazy muslim savages driving suicide bomb cars and thats all. I dont see another use. US troops wont always be fighting only savages...
Husband of my cousin is serving in the army - 16 years as an infantryman. Currently Master Sergent in 1 Infantry division. He can count on his fingers the times he or his soldiers had to shoot someone in a car. But he woudnt have enough hair on his head to count all the times he wish he had a better cover penetrating ammo for his individual weapons.
COVER not barriers. Barriers are not cover. You stay behind cover because you hope it will stop bullets. You cannot hope that the so called barriers (laminated glass) will stop bullets. They are called concealment.
My cousin husbands unit made numerous requests through the supply chain to order m995/m993 ap ammo. To absolutely no avail.Its not for infantry. JSOC units only. Whats leftover can be issued to the lucky guys. Usually regular SF. Infantry gets none.
Of course the best situation whould be a combo mk318/m995 each issued in massive quantities. But you know it is NOT going to happen. Never ever. The m995 supply is soo minuscule thats not even funny. Higher command always say them "for penetration use heavy weapons". When they use them and it is overkill and they kill some civilians in the process (25mm sheels have massive overpenetration) quess who is going to get their asses burned? A few bursts of m993 whould have done the job clean and efficient. Explain it to the stubborn generals.
I can bet that even if the army had chosen the mk318 as the standard ball their whould be displeased reports of it having pathetic penetration. And soldiers whould be unhappy as usuall.
Even DocGKR has said that the Special Forces soldiers who use mk318 use m995 for hard targets. Normal infantry whould never have M995 as an option. Never had and never will be as this ammo is purchased in minimum amounts.
Atleast the m855a1 does both hard targets/cover and barries decently
I was in Iraq for the invasion, before the carbombs and IEDs were the norm. During the invasion it was common to engage Iraqi military units in vehicles including through the windshield. The most peeve lent military vehicle we encountered was the Toyota and Nissan pickup with a mounted machinegun. So in my opinion performance through a windshield is vitally important.
On another note during my 05 deployment we had a SUV attempt to run through our front gate full of armed insurgents. The gate guard engaged with his rifle and killed all the occupants. All of his shots went through the windshield.
C co 1/30th Infantry Regiment
3rd Brigade 3rd Infantry Division
2002-2006
OIF 1 and 3
IraqGunz:
No dude is going to get shot in the chest at 300 yards and look down and say "What is that, a 3 MOA group?"
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