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    Wow thanks guys for posting the great info on using irons especially on about the front sight focus I will definitely work on that the next time out.

    I know my own skills with iron sights are rather abysmal out to 100 yard and I was wondering with focusing on the front sight do you have any suggestions or tips on how to shoot smaller targets? What I mean is when shooting out to 100 yards when using a hard focus on the front sight the target looks like a small blur on the tip of my front sight post.

    Sorry if my question is not clear enough its just kind of hard to explain. I know I hope to be able to attend an apple seed this summer and get some formal help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Dan View Post
    Most folks find aperture sights easier to shoot than open sights.

    Your sight picture should look like this:



    Are you focusing on the front sight post? The basic fundamentals for sighting are the same for aperture and open sights. Good groups can be had by either sight:

    A little off topic, a 15 shot 100 yd group with a Type 38 Arisaka (it was too nice not to shoot yesterday)


    Try snapping in.
    That's a good group; that will give me something to work on

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    Quote Originally Posted by durus5995 View Post
    Wow thanks guys for posting the great info on using irons especially on about the front sight focus I will definitely work on that the next time out.

    I know my own skills with iron sights are rather abysmal out to 100 yard and I was wondering with focusing on the front sight do you have any suggestions or tips on how to shoot smaller targets? What I mean is when shooting out to 100 yards when using a hard focus on the front sight the target looks like a small blur on the tip of my front sight post.

    Sorry if my question is not clear enough its just kind of hard to explain. I know I hope to be able to attend an apple seed this summer and get some formal help.
    The target and rear sight will be blurred, the front sight should be sharply in focus. The human eye can only focus on one point at a time.

    Learn the fundamentals and practice. I like to play with the old Alternate Course C targets, especially if I only have access to the pistol range. It is a 25m course that simulates targets out to 300m. You don't get the experience doping the wind, but it will tell you if you are making sighting errors. If memory serves me correctly, it is shot with 4 10 rd mags, 20 rds supported prone, 20 rds unsupported prone... I forget the time limits. Not difficult, but not easy to keep all the rounds in the small circle on the individual targets:



    ETA the time limits are 2 min to fire 20 rds supported and 2 min for 20 rds unsupported.
    Last edited by Deputy Dan; 03-09-12 at 22:37.

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    Does anyone have access to that target that is meant to be used at 50 yards with the smaller target below it that you use to zero your irons at 100 yards?
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    Day 2 shooting with irons at 25m with the 100 yd calibrated target. Should I make any adjustments now or should I keep practicing with my anchor and getting more used to irons at this yardage? 10 shots here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Bauer View Post
    Does anyone have access to that target that is meant to be used at 50 yards with the smaller target below it that you use to zero your irons at 100 yards?
    I just seen it posted last night but, cant find it now. Downloaded it yesterday and used it today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Bauer View Post
    Does anyone have access to that target that is meant to be used at 50 yards with the smaller target below it that you use to zero your irons at 100 yards?
    Maybe this what you were looking for?

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...impoint+target
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ_Skinny View Post
    Maybe this what you were looking for?

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...impoint+target

    Those are a little more complicated than the one i was looking for, but those would work too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jake Bauer View Post
    Does anyone have access to that target that is meant to be used at 50 yards with the smaller target below it that you use to zero your irons at 100 yards?
    Super simple method:
    Use whatever target allows you to get a really nice, solid, repeatable point of aim.
    Adjust group so it is about 3/4 of an inch below your point of aim.
    Done.
    There is no need to have 4 different targets for zeroing, and unless you actually shoot at 100 yards/meters, it's just an educated guess anyway.
    I have observed somewhere around 2,000 people zeroing M16s/M4s and never have I seen a 25 meter/36 yard/ or 50 meter/yard expedient zero ever be right on at the actual desired zero range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Quick note:
    I definately prefer a 100 meter zero for optics, but I do a different zero for irons.
    I zero 2" high at 100 meters (or yards).
    It reduces the necessity to hold-over out to 200, where the target can be obscured by the front sight.
    I actually picked up the concept from Paul Howe (article here:
    http://www.combatshootingandtactics....llpictures.pdf ) though IIRC he zeroes 3" high at 100 yards.


    I'm very interested in reading Mr. Howe's link, but that link appears to be dead. What is the gist?

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