Follow up on GEN3 G19.

[DAVID RICHARDS]

I posted a thread about my Glock problems (Can you get a reliable recent production GEN3 G19). Here's the short version,
1. First gun GEN3 G19 to avoid GEN4 problems. No good. Threw brass everywhere and damaged cases. Couple of times at Glock replaced with a GEN4 G19.
2. Replacement GEN4 G19. All the new parts. Good for 2000 rounds then brass everywhere. Back to Glock.
3. Sent me a GEN3 G19 that was NIB but built before my first GEN3 G19. Old 336 ejector and 336 extractor. Called and asked why they didn't send me my GEN4? Whoops mistake. They test fired some ammo through it and said "yeah it threw some rounds forward and to the left but we found no problem". Why a GEN3 without the updated extractor? After a pause "well what if it works with the 336"? If it works with the 336 why are you changing the ejectors on the new guns? Another bullshit answer.
So they said they'd return my GEN4 G19 that throws brass forward and to the left ( and of course my head) if I wanted to return the GEN3. Which as I mentioned they said throwing the brass all over and they said it was not a problem. Even though they gave me a call tag for it.
Against my better judgement I fired the GEN3 yesterday. Speer Lawmam 115gr. and 124gr.. Within the first 30 rounds it started hitting me in the head! So I can have a GEN3 or GEN4 G19 that hits me in the head! Looked for a S&W M&P 9c to replace it. Can't find one without the manual safety. And I've tried LWD extractors, HRED's and all the other fixes. So I guess I take a loss and be done with it. 3 guns and none work right. Just digusting!

[trackstar55]

I have a new Gen 3 Glock 17 with the slick back finish and frame made in Austria....Serial number SSL range. It throws brass everywhere including my face. I can't believe it won't eject in a consistent pattern. It had the 336 ejector.

I am a Glock Armorer and called them up. It took two phone calls before I was able to speak with a tech person who wasn't a grumpy smart ass.

He sent me the new ejector and a a dot connector. The new ejector I installed "30274" made things worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so fed up. I am a LEO and I can get these things for $400 all day long and all I have been doing lately is looking for used Glocks from 2008 and earlier.

What happened to Glock??????? Where is the "Perfection"
This is killing me. I have carried a glock for 9 years of service and I hate to admit it, but I am about to give up on them for good.

[DAVID RICHARDS]

Yes it really sucks. I've owned a bunch over the years. Never a problem. Nada. All my old ones are fine. One's twenty years old and still works. Changed my springs and all but it's as fresh as the day is long. I guy next to me was firing a new GEN4 G19. In the first mag 3 out of 15 hit him in the head! From what I've seen a lot may work. But from one on one experience with myself and friends it's real hit or miss.
Maybe the reason the guy at Glock (Anthony) said if it did work with the 336 the 30274 might cause problems is like you it happens. He's speaking from experience evidently. The 043 spring and 37024 in my GEN4 didn't stop it from puking and dying at 2000 rounds. They seem to be swapping parts in each individual gun to try to get them to gt each gun to work. Either it's a bunch of problems, a combined group of problms with each individual gun, they don't know what the problems are, or they do and it's to expensive to fix. Although all these guns, parts, shipping, and so on can't be cheap. They are basically telling me pick a flawed GEN3 or GEN4. We can't find any problems except for spent brass going everywhere. So now it's not a problem???
Lots of folks here recommend keeping the GEN3 and waiting on some aftermrket fixes. Seems the GEN4's are getting the most attention from the company. Broght side my 2-3 month old PPQ has become a faithful, loyal companion. 3700 trouble free rounds. Superb gun!

[one]

On my G17 (Gen 3) upper assembly I installed an old style Gen 1 extractor and bearing. It's run like a house afire ever since. Prior to that it was multiple stovepipes and failures.

Worked for me, you guys might give it a try.

[Yojimbo]

Glock seriously needs to get their shit together. I am currently on the look out for an older Gen 3 Glock 19 as a back up to my carry gun because I don't trust any of the recently manufactured models.

What truly sucks is that the root cause does not seem to have been positively identified yet. I really thought it was out of spec/new spec MIM extractors that was causing this issue but now I have no idea anymore...

[mkmckinley]

I don't know your background or shooting experience, so take this in the manner in which it's intended: are you sure it's not your technique that's causing the errant ejection?

[trackstar55]

I don't know your background or shooting experience, so take this in the manner in which it's intended: are you sure it's not your technique that's causing the errant ejection?

I am tired of this^

and sir, I appreciate you tell me that because you don't know my level, but this is a broken record post, but I appreciate you taking time to post in order to help....others who post that are I think trying to be smart asses.

I am a 10 year LEO...I know how to hold a handgun...I know how to shoot 9mm....I do not limp wrist. No offense intended, but everyone across all sorts of forums feels like its their duty to post "Are you sure you aren't limp wristing."

And, NO, its not the ammo. I have tired numerous different brands of ammo. All brands give me the same result.

Its like every time I walk into a public place where friends are drinking in a group when I am on duty. If I had a penny each time someone holding a beer yells at me, "HE DID IT!" as they point to their shit faced buddy,......I would be a billionaire and just buy Glock outright and fix this crap once and for all.

[one]

Its like every time I walk into a public place where friends are drinking in a group when I am on duty. If I had a penny each time someone holding a beer yells at me, "HE DID IT!" as they point to their shit faced buddy

So true.

[NWPilgrim]

This is disturbing to hear. I have not bought a Glock for some years and most of mine were police turn-ins even then, so I have one Gen 1 G22 and a couple Gen3 G23 and a Gen3 G19. They all run well, but I would be leery of buying anything new from Glock. Is there any Gen4 models that are solid? Are all new Gen3 and Gen4 models susceptible to these erratic ejection problems?

As a side note, random pathways reminds me of complexity theory. If the observed pattern appears erratic or chaotic it may be due to cases hitting a complex shape and bouncing off unpredictably. Did Glock change the geometry of the ejection port or shape of the ejector's tip or something? I mean, a cartridge is fired, it is pulled straight out of the chamber and hits the ejector. Given the same ammo it should land fairly predictably unless it hits another surface such as one of the sides of the ejection port. That is the only thing I can see that would cause weird trajectories.

[DocGKR]

I recently encountered a new problem with a late 2011 3rd gen G19 w/all Glock OEM parts. It worked fine for the first 500 rounds of Federal AE training ammo. However, from the 500th-600th rounds fired, the trigger shifted from normal Glock "feeling" to at least triple the trigger pull weight. I thought I was getting a cramp in my arm muscles or a CVA at first, as I could not pull the trigger back smoothly. After picking up another Glock, I quickly realized it was the pistol, not me. I swapped the "bad" slide from the effected G19 to a known good frame--no issues. Then I took a known good G19 slide and put it on the bad lower receiver--same problems. Thus I isolated the problem to the lower receiver. (Note this is a good reason to have a couple of identical pistols on hand). After that it was simply a matter of swapping known good parts, one at a time until the problem went away. First tried the connector, then the trigger return spring--still bad. Next was the trigger bar--problem solved. Why it was bad I do not know, as it looked "normal" on gross visual inspection. Nonetheless, an old non-dog leg trigger bar made the gun run right again...