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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    one thing to note is that LWRCI dropped out of the IC because they couldnt make the 4,000 rifles per month. they did not have the machine capabilities.

    Colt does and building a carrier like they are allows for faster manuf. 4,000 rifles per month is a whole lot of rifles.

    thats 133 rifles per day. if building a two piece carrier and using pins that have shear strengths of 600-10,000lbs makes it easier and faster then so be it.

    its not like your going to break a pin, why isnt hungarian complaining the AK uses a press fit pin in its barrel.....wont it break to? when was the last time you heard of a AK barrel breaking off.
    Colt can make 700 rifles a day and are increasing that to 900 in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    Colt can make 700 rifles a day and are increasing that to 900 in the near future.
    i realize that but if they got chose as the IC(which I doubt but what if) they would have to produce military rifles and LE rifles as well, having parts that are common helps this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    i realize that but if they got chose as the IC(which I doubt but what if) they would have to produce military rifles and LE rifles as well, having parts that are common helps this.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BH321 View Post
    The reason that Colt is using standard carriers and then pinning the tombstone on is that they have a limited number of mills available (The reason that it was so hard for so long to get Colt 1911s) and they need as many direct impingement parts as they can get for their standard direct impingement rifles (Military and LE contracts have precedence obviously and they are almost entirely DI). Additionally, if they were to have to mill off the tombstone on every carrier for the gas key then the amount of wasted steel would begin to add up, especially due to the fact that Colt's DI line outsells its piston line. Finally, in the event that the military does pick up the 6940P, Colt will immediately have carriers available, even if they have to scrounge from their DI lines in order to get them.
    Colt is the largest manufacture of M4's & M16's for MIL/LE, they should have more than adequate milling equipment, the Colt P0923 APC (Advanced Piston Carbine) which is for MIL/LE other than the auto capabilities, the LE6940P is the same APC. & of course Colts DI AR's out sell their FIRST large production piston system for MIL/LE/Civvi, it's NEW. Milling a one piece carrier will almost insure no failures, as I have said before it's a fact that a solid one piece strike face on the carrier is stronger than any two piece design, it would be better for Colt in the long run. If Colt wants to build a PISTON OP AR, then they need to decide if they want a DI or Piston op system, not a iffy in between piston system with DI components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    I agree with you, and say to the other "engineers" here that if you are so much smarter than Colt and others you need to hire yourself out as consultants.
    For the price of $2K+ for a half assed carrier, due to coast? An LWRCi M6A2 is $2,100 - $2,200, note the quality & one piece design carrier with LWRCi for $100-200 more, I would pay $100-200 more for a one piece NiB carrier for the Colt LE6940P.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_Legionnaire View Post
    For the price of $2K+ for a half assed carrier, due to coast? An LWRCi M6A2 is $2,100 - $2,200, note the quality & one piece design carrier with LWRCi for $100-200 more, I would pay $100-200 more for a one piece NiB carrier for the Colt LE6940P.
    I wouldn't.

    Yay, now its even. Maybe someone can make this silly shit even more silly and turn it into a poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    one thing to note is that LWRCI dropped out of the IC because they couldnt make the 4,000 rifles per month. they did not have the machine capabilities.

    Colt does and building a carrier like they are allows for faster manuf. 4,000 rifles per month is a whole lot of rifles.

    thats 133 rifles per day. if building a two piece carrier and using pins that have shear strengths of 600-10,000lbs makes it easier and faster then so be it.

    its not like your going to break a pin, why isnt hungarian complaining the AK uses a press fit pin in its barrel.....wont it break to? when was the last time you heard of a AK barrel breaking off.
    LWRCi has quality over Colt, quality takes time, if a DI gun can have it's gas key come loose or break from gasses, what do you think a hardened steel op rod striking the face of the carriers strike face will do, on a two piece carrier? LWRCi learned threw trial & error first using a staked strike face, then dovetailing & staking & still having strike faces come loose & breaking, since they have switched to a one piece design they have not had any issues to my knowledge, as well as on my own LWRCi M6A2. If LWRCi had a larger manufacturing plant & more workers that could put the same quality in to the IC they would be the new US military assault rifle. As for AK's have you ever herd of a problem with a barrel coming loose or breaking off at the trunnion since 1946? There are over 170+ million AK & variants around the world, it's a PROVEN system. A two piece carrier for a piston op AR & even DI AR's is a WELL know issue, that is why Colt is one of the only manufactures to make one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_Legionnaire View Post
    LWRCi has quality over Colt, quality takes time, if a DI gun can have it's gas key come loose or break from gasses, what do you think a hardened steel op rod striking the face of the carriers strike face will do, on a two piece carrier? LWRCi learned threw trial & error first using a staked strike face, then dovetailing & staking & still having strike faces come loose & breaking, since they have switched to a one piece design they have not had any issues to my knowledge, as well as on my own LWRCi M6A2. If LWRCi had a larger manufacturing plant & more workers that could put the same quality in to the IC they would be the new US military assault rifle.
    you clearly dont have a grasp on how these are made.

    the DI gas carrier key just has some screws holding it together.

    the 6940P has 2 hardened steel inserts that are assembled using a pneumatic press.

    I ask again when was the last time you saw an AK-47 barrel fall off? its held on by the same type of pins as the 6940P uses in its carrier key.

    as good as LWRC is they wouldnt be the new Military rifle either, hate to say it but a .1% increase over a good M4A1 doesnt warrant the double to triple price tag. just because LWRC couldnt make a good 2 piece carrier doesnt mean others cant. i mean cmon a dovetail and 2 screw??? that was meant to fail, 2 hardened steel pins that have a shear strength of 600+lbs that are pneumatically installed wont fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I wouldn't.

    Yay, now its even. Maybe someone can make this silly shit even more silly and turn it into a poll.
    The only "silly shit" is Colts decision to make a two piece carrier for a piston op AR. I agree, their should be a poll, one piece carrier V.S two piece carrier in the LE6940P. I would do it, I just don't know how to...

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    Magic_Salad0892 i agree 100%, what the hell is the Hybrid Piston System?

    and Hungarian_Legionnaire, Do you work for LWRCi or something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_Legionnaire View Post
    LWRCi has quality over Colt, quality takes time,
    This i have problems with, I have seen enough lwrci's have problems with piston and spring cups failing under low round counts to not have great confidence in their product. While Colt is not perfect by any means, there is not another american company out there with as much combat record than Colt. And the LWRCi is not the same piston design as the AK, the AK uses a long stroke set up vs LWRCi's short stroke, and most importantly the Ak's carrier rides on RAILS. If someone could figure out how to engineer the AR's bcg to ride on rails then i think we'd have a winner.
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