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    I have 30+ some rifles, I just use LWRCi as an example because they have have the most widely used piston operated AR of any military & civvi piston AR, that means they have had the most use, the most experience, failures & have had the years to get feedback to fix the issues that they have very successfully.
    Huh.....I think I need to check if our 25,000 HK416's are in fact LWRC guns.

    And you probably know more about the weapons selection of US SMU's than say LAV, when it comes to piston AR's in use.
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    Piston ARs have problems. ALL of them do.

    There are no exceptions known to this rule.

    Ask LWRCi. LMT. HK (hello cracked receivers!). Osprey. Adam Arms. Etc.

    Colt is literally THE only company I can think of that I would trust to get it right.

    Why? Because they've been designing the goddamn thing for 40 years. (off and on)

    I used to own LWRCi rifles. And while I didn't have any problems. They do not do ANYTHING better than a well built DI gun.

    I'd take an M4A1 over a LWRCi/416 any day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    Huh.....I think I need to check if our 25,000 HK416's are in fact LWRC guns.

    And you probably know more about the weapons selection of US SMU's than say LAV, when it comes to piston AR's in use.


    look Hungarian, you like your LWRC and thats great, but the hK416 is the most widely used piston AR-15 and the Norwegian military alone makes that so since its their standard issued rifle.

    that said Colt has been making piston AR-15's longer than any other company, if anyone can make it work they can.

    the press fit pin method is a valid method, the pins wont shear, and they wont wiggle loose, they just cant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Salad0892 View Post
    Piston ARs have problems. ALL of them do.

    There are no exceptions known to this rule.

    Ask LWRCi. LMT. HK (hello cracked receivers!). Osprey. Adam Arms. Etc.

    (snip)

    I'd take an M4A1 over a LWRCi/416 any day.
    From Larry Vickers on the subject:

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    Just a little tidbit gents for the 416 haters out there- I just got some info that one specialized end user currently using 416's tested it against several ( read that as most) current DI and piston guns to find a potential replacement and the result of the test was.....

    The HK416 will stay in place as the issue assault rifle

    None of the other guns came close to it performance wise from what I was told- you may not like HK but based on what they found during their test no one makes a better gun as of right now

    That's all I can say - spin it however you want but this organization can and will buy whatever they want to get the job done; if there was something better they would be using it or in the process of buying it

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    Ho hum. I was talking design, not Brand names. But I guess we can't resist Brand Bashing about these parts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Vickers View Post
    In piston AR's the gold standard of course is the HK 416- the civilian legal version called the MR556 is basically the same gun with some changes like a heavier, non chrome lined bore that make it different enough that some people prefer to source a grey market HK 416 upper or choose a different piston gun. The MR556 has an excellent reputation for accuracy and although heavy is a very well made rifle. Another piston brand I have seen that I have seen good results with is LWRC - the majority of LWRC guns I have seen in my classes perform well; If I wanted a piston AR and did not want an HK product I would look at an LWRC offering.

    The Internet, and M4C is no exception, has been full of non objective comments and threads regarding this subject- I would urge potential buyers to sort thru the emotion to determine what makes sense for them - remember any of the guns I listed with good ammo ( getting harder to find these days at a reasonable cost), good magazines and well lubed have proven to be reliable performers; in fact we live in the golden era of AR style black rifles- never before has there been so many good choices in this category

    There are other quality brands on the market to be sure- I just listed the ones that I have the most experience with and have seen the fewest problems with in my classes

    Now the task is up to you to take the emotion out of your decision making process and buy a carbine that you decide will get the job done

    Be safe

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    I can't imagine all the people who take their carbine course experience as the end all be all of which weapons work, and which weapons don't. In the end, your anecdotal experience is but a sample size of a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hungarian_Legionnaire View Post
    ...I've an M6A2...They are still used by US Army's OD-D.
    Is that so? And how would you know this information?

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    Anybody got a link regarding this epidemic of cracked HK receivers?
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    I have only seen the article over on Defence Review, written by David Crane:

    http://www.defensereview.com/ruger-s...riven-ar-fray/

    It was supposedly one gun with an extreme round count that broke:

    http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk416-hk4...k416-kits.html

    And the op-rod and piston freezing in cold weather.....most likely user induced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    I have only seen the article over on Defence Review, written by David Crane:

    http://www.defensereview.com/ruger-s...riven-ar-fray/

    It was supposedly one gun with an extreme round count that broke:

    http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk416-hk4...k416-kits.html

    And the op-rod and piston freezing in cold weather.....most likely user induced.
    The freezig was probably from improperly handling a firearm in freazing temps. You have to be careful to avoid condensation i low temps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinlessorrow View Post
    The freezig was probably from improperly handling a firearm in freazing temps. You have to be careful to avoid condensation i low temps.
    Uhm....yeah. I know.

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