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Thread: DPMS L.E.O AR? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    What some of you people don't seem to understand is that with some it happens more (alot more) than others. This is the true difference. Then you start to take into account why xxx weapon is cheaper and the reasons become very clear.

    When a company like Oly, DPMS, BM, etc.. can't even do the most basic of shit right (staking, QA/QC and the like) that should tell you all you need to know.
    With safety equipment, what really matters is mean uses until failure - in the case of firearms for defensive purposes, it's mean rounds between failure given a competent operator, simply because it decreases the chance of turning your only defense tool into a 8# oddly shaped stick.

    Low end isn't automatically crap, but it's like buying a Tata car for 20k because you don't want to pay 21k for a Toyota.
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    No, it's because I have actually seen DPMS and BM's being used overseas that failed.

    Apparently some people will only learn the hard way.

    Quote Originally Posted by KrampusArms View Post
    HA HA! Dec 22nd...... You know I bought an RRA before I knew better, but everything I've read about them is not meshing with the mileage I've gotten. My key was staked proper, it hasn't malfed or exploded. I want that BCM don't get me wrong. But I think a lot of people here are just tagging along with this mantra of "its low tier its automatically crap".



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    Quote Originally Posted by KrampusArms View Post
    HA HA! Dec 22nd...... You know I bought an RRA before I knew better, but everything I've read about them is not meshing with the mileage I've gotten. My key was staked proper, it hasn't malfed or exploded. I want that BCM don't get me wrong. But I think a lot of people here are just tagging along with this mantra of "its low tier its automatically crap".
    Whats your round count, use habits with the RRA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KrampusArms View Post
    HA HA! Dec 22nd...... You know I bought an RRA before I knew better, but everything I've read about them is not meshing with the mileage I've gotten. My key was staked proper, it hasn't malfed or exploded. I want that BCM don't get me wrong. But I think a lot of people here are just tagging along with this mantra of "its low tier its automatically crap".
    How much did you pay for your RRA if you don't mind?

    The reason I ask is because for about $100-150 more, I could have gotten into a MUCH better weapon. That's my issue with RRA. Both of mine have been good, though to be honest I haven't run them hard yet. But for what they give you, they're over priced. Way, way over priced. I don't appreciate being charged extra for a chrome-lined bore either.

    I wouldn't buy another one. It'd be like a base model Camaro V6 for $37500, and a Shelby Mustang GT500 for $40000. Hmm, I don't need to contemplate this one for very long. (I don't want to hear from GM fanboys, it was just a metaphor. I'm a Jeep guy anyway.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrampusArms View Post
    Understood. Are they on the same level as OLY?
    Just barely a notch above only because I have seen some fantastic stuff wrong with Oly. About 2 weeks ago a trooper comes to me to show me a rifle he had purchased and is proud of. An Oly in 7.62x39. He wants me to look the gun over. I break it down and find the spring for the detent that holds the rear take down pin is missing and the stock is lose. Like hand so loose I can move it with my hand. I get him a spring and tighten his stock and stake the castle nut. I also staked his bolt carrier key. He still has not fired it. What the hell Oly?

    The Oly I purchased 15 years ago was similar but its alluminum forend free float tube was loose, the bi pod stud hole was drilled 20 degrees off when the hand guard was tightened by hand. The chamber was out of spec and bulged brass. I sent it back and it took them 18 months and a threatening letter to get them to get the gun back to me with a new barrel.

    Then 6 months after that the set trigger they sold on the rifle started to double. They would not fix it and told me to contact the vendor they hired to install it. Williams Trigger Specalties. Any Oly is a complete fail and DPMS is pretty close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KimberFan View Post
    Whats your round count, use habits with the RRA?
    Heres where I get my ass handed to me. 4000 rounds so far. Shoot it every month and clean it when I get home. I have a no rapid fire rule at the range I go to. So no mag dumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMETNA View Post
    How much did you pay for your RRA if you don't mind?

    The reason I ask is because for about $100-150 more, I could have gotten into a MUCH better weapon. That's my issue with RRA. Both of mine have been good, though to be honest I haven't run them hard yet. But for what they give you, they're over priced. Way, way over priced. I don't appreciate being charged extra for a chrome-lined bore either.

    I wouldn't buy another one. It'd be like a base model Camaro V6 for $37500, and a Shelby Mustang GT500 for $40000. Hmm, I don't need to contemplate this one for very long. (I don't want to hear from GM fanboys, it was just a metaphor. I'm a Jeep guy anyway.)
    I only bought the upper, but too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    Just barely a notch above only because I have seen some fantastic stuff wrong with Oly. About 2 weeks ago a trooper comes to me to show me a rifle he had purchased and is proud of. An Oly in 7.62x39. He wants me to look the gun over. I break it down and find the spring for the detent that holds the rear take down pin is missing and the stock is lose. Like hand so loose I can move it with my hand. I get him a spring and tighten his stock and stake the castle nut. I also staked his bolt carrier key. He still has not fired it. What the hell Oly?

    The Oly I purchased 15 years ago was similar but its alluminum forend free float tube was loose, the bi pod stud hole was drilled 20 degrees off when the hand guard was tightened by hand. The chamber was out of spec and bulged brass. I sent it back and it took them 18 months and a threatening letter to get them to get the gun back to me with a new barrel.

    Then 6 months after that the set trigger they sold on the rifle started to double. They would not fix it and told me to contact the vendor they hired to install it. Williams Trigger Specalties. Any Oly is a complete fail and DPMS is pretty close.
    Pat
    Thats incredible. WOW.The Oly I had experience with, the FCG actually sat slightly crooked in the lowers FCG pocket, & both spring legs werent resting in the trigger pin. It malfed hard, and ripped case rims off every other round, leaving brass stuck in the chamber. Not only that but the fit and finish was monstrous, and the magwell wasn't machined evenly on the sides. From what I understand OLY does their recievers in house.

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    I think it's easy enough to agree there's rifles, and then there's fighting rifles. That's about it.

    There's an opinion out there that isn't a bad one, and it says that your gun should be as good as can be; don't buy watered down ckrap, because YOU might have to save someone's life. - also, possibly wasting good money is stupid, just save a couple hundred more!!

    The other ideal is that some people just want to go to the range with their family and shoot some cans with wolf ammo or a .22 kit. It goes bang, so they figure it can double as home defense. Sure, probably, I guess.

    The police deserve fighting rifles. It's not just for themselves, it's for everyone who might be protected by them. We pay taxes, and we agree these guys putting their life on the line ought to have good tools.

    If I owned a DPMS I would just shoot it like any other rifle, but I wouldn't look at it as a fighting gun. I guess I could possibly train with it.

    I often think of guns as swords. You can have different quality ones and practice with some, but in the end the one you want to master and take into battle is the one you know was made best. It doesn't mean it can't break, but it sure is your utmost being put forward in that time of need- God forbid.
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    Being in the employ of a municipal agency I can say that all LE agencies suffer from the same thing, their administrators. Ours adopted BMs.
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    "We have to stop demonizing people and realize the biggest terror threat in this country is white men, most of them radicalized to the right, and we have to start doing something about them." — CNN's Don Lemon 10/30/18

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