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    Quote Originally Posted by mo4040 View Post
    I have a registered lower and was going to "remove it from the registry," so to speak. I want to replace the lower with a different one, thus the desire have the original removed. I did a little investigative work and found this info:

    According to the ATF NFA Handbook (Sect 2.5 http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/nfa-handbook/), it's only an SBR when it is configured as such. So, if you are running a barrel of 16 inches (or greater) on a registered SBR lower, it's not an SBR. Remember, it has to be in a configuration that makes it subject to the NFA to be considered an NFA item. Again, this is according to the above referenced section in the NFA Handbook.

    So, once I get the stamp back on my new lower, I don't have to notifiy the ATF that the original lower is no longer an SBR (as long as I do not put it in an SBR configuration, it is not longer an SBR).
    If that's the case, then all the more reason to buy a factory SBR IMO.

    I'm not sure I'd trust that to be the case though, especially when it comes to selling it.

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    I would never remove a lower from the registry, it's silly and a waste of money. AFAIK there is no requirement to do so. Simply leave the 16" upper in place and enjoy.

    People are way overthinking this stuff. The BATFE is giving you a freebie. They are telling you that if you add a 16" upper it is no longer an SBR. So leave it alone.

    If you want to sell it then do so. BATFE guidelines clearly spell out it is no longer an SBR. Why complicate things? These guys have plently of stuff to do aside from worrying what upper is on your lower.

    Quote Originally Posted by mo4040 View Post
    I have a registered lower and was going to "remove it from the registry," so to speak. I want to replace the lower with a different one, thus the desire have the original removed. I did a little investigative work and found this info:

    According to the ATF NFA Handbook (Sect 2.5 http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/nfa-handbook/), it's only an SBR when it is configured as such. So, if you are running a barrel of 16 inches (or greater) on a registered SBR lower, it's not an SBR. Remember, it has to be in a configuration that makes it subject to the NFA to be considered an NFA item. Again, this is according to the above referenced section in the NFA Handbook.

    So, once I get the stamp back on my new lower, I don't have to notifiy the ATF that the original lower is no longer an SBR (as long as I do not put it in an SBR configuration, it is not longer an SBR).



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    Rob pretty much covered all the bases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I would never remove a lower from the registry, it's silly and a waste of money. AFAIK there is no requirement to do so. Simply leave the 16" upper in place and enjoy.

    People are way overthinking this stuff. The BATFE is giving you a freebie. They are telling you that if you add a 16" upper it is no longer an SBR. So leave it alone.

    If you want to sell it then do so. BATFE guidelines clearly spell out it is no longer an SBR. Why complicate things? These guys have plently of stuff to do aside from worrying what upper is on your lower.
    No doubt about it. It is only a SBR if you have a less than 16" barrel. Why worry about it?
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    From ATF’s website (Mods, please remove if this is too much/inappropriate)

    http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nati...fa-transferATF Home

    Firearms
    Frequently Asked Questions
    National Firearms Act (NFA) — Short Barreled Rifles and Shotguns



    Q: What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)?

    While a receiver alone may be classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length. The serialized receiver is recorded for registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR).
    Q: I possess a properly registered SBR or SBS. I intend to strip the receiver and remove the barrel prior to selling the receiver. Is the bare receiver still subject to regulation under the NFA as a SBR or SBS?

    A stripped receiver without a barrel does not meet the definition of a SBR or SBS under the NFA. Although the previously registered firearm would remain registered unless the possessor notified the NFA Branch of the change, there is no provision in statute or regulation requiring registration of a firearm without a barrel because its physical characteristics would make it only a GCA “firearm” pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)(B). If the subsequent owner buys the receiver as a GCA firearm and installs a barrel less than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS), the firearm would be subject to a $200 making tax and registration under the NFA by the manufacturer or maker of the SBR or SBS. Because registration depends upon the stated intent of the applicant, there is no provision to allow registration of a NFA firearm by anyone other than the maker or manufacturer.

    Q: If I remove the short barrel from the registered SBR or SBS, is the receiver still subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations?

    If the possessor retains control over the barrel or other parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm would still be subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations. ATF recommends contacting State law enforcement officials to ensure compliance with state and local law.

    Q: Does the installation of a barrel over 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA? If so, is this considered a permanent change?

    Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR or SBS.

    Q: Is it necessary to send notification to ATF and receive acknowledgement that the SBR or SBS has been removed from the purview of the NFA before it may be sold as a GCA firearm?

    There is no requirement for the possessor of a registered NFA firearm to notify ATF that the firearm has been removed from the purview of the NFA. However, ATF recommends the possessor notify the NFA Branch of such changes in writing so that the possessor is not mistakenly identified as the owner if the firearm is later used in a crime. If, at the time of transfer, the firearm does not meet the definition of a SBR, it should be transferred without filing the NFA transfer application and without payment of the transfer tax.

    Q: If I remove the short barrel from my SBR or SBS, may I move the firearm across state lines without the submission of ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport or to Temporarily Export Certain Firearms?

    If the registrant retains control over the parts required to assemble the SBR or SBS, the firearm is still be subject to all requirements of the NFA. ATF recommends contacting law enforcement officials in the destination state to ensure compliance with state and local law.

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