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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    So, if BM manufactures an M4 to the exact spec's as Colt, the TDP I guess, and sell's it to civilians, they are in violation of some court order?
    By "exact same spec's" I am referring to a non NFA carbine.
    No that is not what is being said... The state of affairs is that currently produced Bushmasters use some poor quality parts, and poor quality control that result in weapons that statistically do not stand up to hard use without having some work done to them...

    The hope is that just as Colt Defense produces the LE6920 and others as non NFA weapons using the high quality parts and QC from the military production lines both here and in Canada, that this contract will raise the bar for Bushmaster and they will start to use better quality parts and have higher QC, and that this new standard will work its way through a the entire Bushmaster product line...

    As I stated in my original post on this subject, Bushmaster has the ability to make a fine rifle and we will just have to see if they do...

    The jury is still out...
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    The company my contract is with has a huge contract with BM...I will never own one of these pieces of Shit. Horrible combat weapon from end to end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    So, if BM manufactures an M4 to the exact spec's as Colt, the TDP I guess, and sell's it to civilians, they are in violation of some court order?
    By "exact same spec's" I am referring to a non NFA carbine.
    I've read here that other companies are capable of producing carbines that will run, and run good when pushed hard, but statistically speaking, the closer to the TDP, or "mil spec", ie, Colt, LMT, the better the carbine is?
    So, if I'm understanding this discussion correctly, if BM manufactures a carbine that has all the characteristics on the left side of the "chart", Colt could and would keep civilians from being able to purchase another companies carbine by not allowing the company to a.) manufature it, or b.) sell it to civilians?
    As you can tell, I'm confused, and it doesn't really matter either way to me, but I firmly believe competition is a good thing.
    Close. If Bushmaster was to sell rifles to us that incorporated things they had learned from getting Colt's TDP they would be in violation of thier NDA.

    There is nothing wrong with having a bunch of checks on Rob's chart. LMT has most checked off, and they don't have the TDP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    No, It was quite clearly the end of 1991,………
    It would seem that there were some flat tops let out prior to the commonly understood 1992 flat top introduction.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dano5326 View Post
    I'm well aware that the new USG contract stipulates adherence to a TDP. Hence the required two years for Bushmaster to get a viable assembly line up to speed.

    IMO this changes squat with BM. The best predictor of ones future performance (individual & corporate) is ones previous performance. The corporate culture of "good enough", isn't. Especially with a Co. that has years of aggressively markets to LE and agencies.
    We are on the same page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ekie View Post

    There is nothing wrong with having a bunch of checks on Rob's chart. LMT has most checked off, and they don't have the TDP.

    But some of that can be reverse engineered.
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    what about what 'chesty' puller would say. i am guessing that these are for the iraq army.
    "Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't
    be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our
    women and breed a hardier race!"

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    Question about Bushmaster's M16A3 contract

    Bushmaster was recently awarded this contract:

    https://aais.ria.army.mil/aais/award...001/000000.pdf

    Are these rifles that are required to be manufactured to the TDP or just a "commercial" (if that's an appropriate term) Bushy version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    The company my contract is with has a huge contract with BM...I will never own one of these pieces of Shit. Horrible combat weapon from end to end.
    Yup

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    Bushmaster Contract

    Hello, I'm new to this forum and have been reading this thread....
    My question is, was any other company approached to provide weapons besides Bushmaster, if not, I wonder why not. I did not realize Bushmaster was that big.
    Thanks in advance for all comments.

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