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Thread: Trouble zeroing with irons only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    The gun doesn't care how you hold it, it will launch the bullets where the sights tell them to go.
    "Proper" grip and stance simply stabilizes the weapon and reduce the effects of recoil.
    If you are shooting for precision (as you should be when zeroing) you should be in the prone, and if that is not an option, from a rested bench.
    That makes sense, I guess in got a lot to learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousMind View Post
    I took a class this weekend and Failure2stop nailed it, it was the rear sight that was giving me the problem. Instructors couldn't understand why my groups were so random. We switched the rear sight to a magpul mbuis and that made the difference. While I have a lot to work on my groups were steadily tightening up. Bottom line is I am going to be buying a round peep sight. Anybody interested in buying a slightly used diamond rear sight? J/k. Thanks for all the info.
    I’ve heard that the diamond shaped rear sight are for the more experienced user. I’ve never seen one, but it sounds like there must be some truth to it. Glad you solved your problem.

    I ordered a front sight post adjustment tool from Brownells, and this is the must have tool if you have trouble adjusting the front sight post. It took only two seconds to insert the tool and move the post. Wish I had this tool from the get go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiamiCracker View Post
    That makes sense, I guess in got a lot to learn
    Just keep working on your knowledge, mindset & skills man. No one should ever stop doing that, no matter what level they are at. Sign up for a good course if that option is available to you.
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    For those that are still having problems Zeroing,
    1. When you are at the range take a photo of your target, you can even use a cell phone. A lot can been read from a shot up target.

    2. Read http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...6xHcXnQA73l9ZQ especially Chapter 4. This is the Army's marksmanship publication and it is available for public release. The principles of marksmanship found in here are largely universal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeviousMind View Post
    Thanks for all the responses. I am looking to take a class for sure. I have only shot pistols and a 22 rifle before this so maybe I just need to work on my fundamentals, breathing, trigger squeeze ect. The problem is convincing the wife that I need to spend more time at the range..
    Try zeroing @ 25 yards first, using the front sight post for the ele. adjustment only! use the rear sight for windage. That should put you pretty close to spot on to 200ish". From there you can now use the rear ele. for what you need beyond...

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    A 25 yard zero will put you somewhere between 8 and 10 inches high at 200.

    You need to be about 1.5" low at 25 yards to put you really close at 100yards. About 1" low will put you on at 50 yards and 200 yards.

    A great thread to figure it out. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=65679

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    Quote Originally Posted by active shooter View Post
    Try zeroing @ 25 yards first, using the front sight post for the ele. adjustment only! use the rear sight for windage. That should put you pretty close to spot on to 200ish". From there you can now use the rear ele. for what you need beyond...
    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    A 25 yard zero will put you somewhere between 8 and 10 inches high at 200.

    You need to be about 1.5" low at 25 yards to put you really close at 100yards. About 1" low will put you on at 50 yards and 200 yards.

    A great thread to figure it out. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=65679
    Judging from his last post, the OP pretty much got it figured out at his class he took, with just the Fundamentals to keep working on. Knowledge, mindset, Training & skills.
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    If you need to change the trigger in order to zero your iron sights, the problem is not the trigger. Or the iron sights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    If you need to change the trigger in order to zero your iron sights, the problem is not the trigger. Or the iron sights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostmaker View Post
    Well when it comes to the trigger components its a "regular" thing to do to take them out and clean them from time to time, its actually really simple, not to mention if your going to keep a carbine for defense purposes, you need to know how to do those little things in my mind, there is probably a hundred videos on youtube(guessing), showing you how to take out the trigger group, clean & re-install. Once you do it a couple times, you'll see its not a big deal....

    ...Has nothing to do with actuall performance & accuracy, mostlly just the "feel".

    The topic of messing around with the trigger components came up when another poster asked if there was anything he could do about his "gritty" trigger... It didn't seem to me that he meant it as related to his zero, but a separat issue all together, until he later posted this-
    Quote Originally Posted by wingspar View Post
    Sorry. My fault. I was wondering about improving the trigger and the impact it would have on "Having Problems Zeroing Iron Sights".

    Anyhow thats what started a different topic all together, which is what prompted F2S to step in as he must have thought the same thing...

    Just sayin...
    Last edited by Ghostmaker; 05-04-12 at 03:52.
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