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Thread: Single stage vs. Double stage trigger for SBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeebinz View Post
    Thanks for the replies, so by the looks of it the majority prefers a double stage trigger.

    Would you say the SD-E or the SD3G would be best?
    SSA.

    I wouldnt recommend any other Geissele trigger for a fighting rifle

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeebinz View Post
    Thanks for the replies, so by the looks of it the majority prefers a double stage trigger.

    Would you say the SD-E or the SD3G would be best?
    The SD3G is technically a single stage trigger. It's a smooth, fluid break. I would not choose a SD3G for a defensive rifle, personally. I much prefer the greater precision that a 2 stage allows by enabling you to precisely control when the shot is released (you do not want to be surprised by the shot going off...ignore anyone who says this). The 3G is good for "run and gun" 3-gun type shooting, but is not the best for a precision or defensive application.

    As Surf said, when shooting quickly, you pull quickly through the first and second stage of a 2 stage trigger. You don't stop at the second stage wall and it does not really slow you down. IMO, this makes the 2 stage the more versatile trigger type, as it allows you to slow down and precisely break the shot, but doesn't impeed rapid fire either.

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    So....SSA seems to be the winner. I have used them on some of my buddy's 16 and 18 inch AR's and I love the feel but I just don't feel as if it is necessary for my SBR, but what what a0cake said about consistency rifle to rifle makes alot of sense to me so I may make the SSA my trigger of choice on all of my rifles from now on.

    About the SSA-E...you think the lighter pull would be detrimental to my overall control of the rifle? (I would have no issues w/ accidental discharges...it just won't happen, I am just asking for opinions). Or would you guys say the only benefit of going with the SSA-E would be for more precise shooting @ longer ranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeebinz View Post
    So....SSA seems to be the winner. I have used them on some of my buddy's 16 and 18 inch AR's and I love the feel but I just don't feel as if it is necessary for my SBR, but what what a0cake said about consistency rifle to rifle makes alot of sense to me so I may make the SSA my trigger of choice on all of my rifles from now on.

    About the SSA-E...you think the lighter pull would be detrimental to my overall control of the rifle? (I would have no issues w/ accidental discharges...it just won't happen, I am just asking for opinions). Or would you guys say the only benefit of going with the SSA-E would be for more precise shooting @ longer ranges
    Regarding the E series Geissele triggers on defensive / duty / combat rifles, I take the somewhat controversial stance that if you are trained and proficient, there is no reason not to choose the SD-E. I use it and prefer it. But keep in mind that I am in the minority position here, and the vast majority of experts and even the company itself (Geissele) recommend the SSA / SD-C for this application. But that doesn't necessarily make me wrong. Here are a few replies that I've given in previous threads on this issue...you lose the context of the threads but you'll get the gist from my responses. I'll post the links to the threads at the bottom.

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    My take is this:

    The trigger is light, yes, but it is repeatable. Assuming that you are competent and have training (which IMO anybody who feels they need an aftermarket trigger SHOULD have to justify the purchase), rest assured that if the hammer drops it will be because you intended it to. I do not believe it is necessary to go with the SSA or SD-C on a fighting rifle. There is plenty of travel in the SD-E / SSA-E first stage and an extremely perceivable wall at the end of the first stage. If you let a round off that you didn't intend to with the lighter Enhanced series triggers (SD-E or SSA-E) it is because of a personal training deficiency, and not at all an issue of trigger selection. If the safety's off and you're applying pressure to the trigger, you should be fully prepared for what's on the other end of your muzzle to be destroyed. I honestly don't see how the slightly lighter trigger is more dangerous if you are a competent and safe shooter.

    The one caveat to this is if you have extreme hand strength. I could then see the SSA or SD-C offering more control, especially under stress and physical strain. Notice I said control, not safety.

    ETA: When I got my first SD-E, to smooth out the first stage, I rapidly pulled through the first stage 200-300 times, stopping at the second stage wall and not actually dropping the hammer. I did this for 15 or 20 minutes at a FAST pace. I did not accidentally pull through the second stage one time. That is quite amazing, considering that this is a fairly light trigger. It is a testament to the precision and repeatability of the break, which I think is further evidence for my point.

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    Point is, the first stage of the SSA and SSA-E / SD-C and SD-E are largely identical. It's not short by any means. The notion that somebody would think it's a good idea to roll around inside a house with the first stage slack taken up and against the second stage wall is so absolutely ridiculous that I can't fathom it.

    Somebody who doesn't keep their finger off the trigger until they've made a decision isn't going to be safe with any trigger, the difference between the SSA and SSA-E be damned.

    Assuming that a person doesn't do the ridiculous act described above, and uses a two stage trigger as it's supposed to be used when range is close and speed is paramount (pulling completely through both stages with one motion), the weight difference between the SSA and SSA-E matters not one bit and is not really noticeable.

    The E's offer more potential for finesse when utilizing both stages, and I still see no increased risk when pulling straight through as mentioned above...unless somebody is being unsafe and applying trigger pressure when they shouldn't be, in which case no trigger will make that shooter safe.

    ETA: If you feel uncomfortable, it's probably best to go with Grant's advice. For many shooters who don't have unconscious competence when it comes to safety, he's definitely right and I'm not questioning that. But if you're comfortable with how to use a two stage trigger, know what you're doing, and are looking for a little extra edge in the precision arena on a defensive / combat rifle, don't overlook the E series. That's all I'm saying.


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    Couldn't have asked for a more to the point and accurate response. Thank you a0cake. I follow the good practices of handling ANY firearm and never having my finger on the trigger unless I intend to shoot. I have taken some tactical shooting classes @ the SIG Academy and I am confident the difference in the pull will be irrelevant to my overall control of the rifle.

    So now it's between the SD-E and the SSA-E

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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Either a standard USGI, ALG, SSA or G2S.

    3-4LBS single stage triggers are no go on a combat AR IMHO.




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    Big +1 here with this one. A single stage is NEVER an option for an AR as far as im concered. Just my 0.02. Happy shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc45 View Post
    Big +1 here with this one. A single stage is NEVER an option for an AR as far as im concered. Just my 0.02. Happy shooting.
    Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm....

    That is definitely not what Grant is saying (he's talking about aftermarket break-o-matics). Maybe it was a typo or you didn't mean to say what you said, but you realize that all standard USGI triggers are single stage, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by usmc45 View Post
    Big +1 here with this one. A single stage is NEVER an option for an AR as far as im concered. Just my 0.02. Happy shooting.
    Pretty sure you used a single stage all throughout your USMC career, assuming your screen name indicates what you are/were....just sayin

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    I run the CMMG 2 stage trigger in my SBR. It has a light first stage followed by a crisp 4lb break. Its been reliable for well over 6k rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman8 View Post
    Pretty sure you used a single stage all throughout your USMC career, assuming your screen name indicates what you are/were....just sayin
    You need to be VERY carefull where you take that. I was in the corps. And it was a 2 stage. By your post is clear you never were.

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