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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Please make sure you do some research first. I may be off base, since I don't go to CLEO's or anybody else.

    If you reside within the city limits, then you must use the Chief of Police. If you live outside of city limits or un-incorporated areas you then go to the sheriff.

    Again, I may be wrong about this, but this is how I understand it.

    Q: If the chief law enforcement official whose jurisdiction includes the proposed transferee’s residence refuses to sign the “law enforcement certification,” will the signature of an official in another jurisdiction be acceptable?
    No. But see “What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?” for the list of acceptable chief law enforcement officers
    I'm very new to the NFA process and as I said earlier, I'm going the trust route to avoid these issues but if I understand the pdf on the ATF's site correctly from page 188, question/answer m18 (two answers prior to your post):

    "(M18) What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA
    weapon are acceptable to ATF?
    As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police,
    sheriff of the county, head of the State
    police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The
    regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate
    if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of
    other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include
    State attorneys general and judges of
    State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases.

    [27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85]

    And question/answer M20: (M20) If the chief law enforcement
    official whose jurisdiction includes
    the proposed transferee's residence refuses to sign the "law enforcement certification," will the
    signature of an official in another
    jurisdiction be acceptable?
    No. (But see Question M18 for the
    list of acceptable chief law enforcement officers.)"


    If I wasn't going the trust route I'd contact the ATF and ask for written clarification to make sure I don't have to resubmit paperwork.
    Last edited by mallowpufft; 04-19-12 at 14:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Please make sure you do some research first. I may be off base, since I don't go to CLEO's or anybody else.

    If you reside within the city limits, then you must use the Chief of Police. If you live outside of city limits or un-incorporated areas you then go to the sheriff.

    Again, I may be wrong about this, but this is how I understand it.
    Last SBR I did had a Sheriff sign off and everything was gravy. The key point is this:

    Q: If the chief law enforcement official whose jurisdiction includes the proposed transferee’s residence refuses to sign the “law enforcement certification,” will the signature of an official in another jurisdiction be acceptable?
    No. But see “What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?” for the list of acceptable chief law enforcement officers
    He is the Lubbock county Sheriff, thus sheriff of my jurisdiction. The lady at his office knew what each form in my packet was and knew exactly what I was doing, so it's not their first rodeo.

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    I got my first rimfire can done with Sheriff but I've known him all my life & was not a big deal for me as we got to catch up...having said that, the trust is the waaayyy better route to own class iii items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Please make sure you do some research first. I may be off base, since I don't go to CLEO's or anybody else.

    If you reside within the city limits, then you must use the Chief of Police. If you live outside of city limits or un-incorporated areas you then go to the sheriff.

    Again, I may be wrong about this, but this is how I understand it.

    Q: If the chief law enforcement official whose jurisdiction includes the proposed transferee’s residence refuses to sign the “law enforcement certification,” will the signature of an official in another jurisdiction be acceptable?
    No. But see “What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?” for the list of acceptable chief law enforcement officers
    The sheriff is not from another jurisdiction, he is from the same. The sheriff is the CLEO for the entire county, including the incorporated area of the cities within his county.

    OP, looks like you solved your problem, if something falls through, don't forget about judges. I have a trust, but guys I know that have went the CLEO route have had better luck with judges around here.
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    If the city he lives in is in the county the Sheriff has jurisdiction over then the Sheriff can sign as CLEO.

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    We're cookin' now


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    Nevermind
    Last edited by ggp2jz; 04-23-12 at 22:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post

    If you reside within the city limits, then you must use the Chief of Police. If you live outside of city limits or un-incorporated areas you then go to the sheriff.
    Nah, I'm in city limits and my Sheriff does all my approvals. Never an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by ggp2jz View Post
    What the **** dude!?!?!?!?!?!?
    Easy chief, he obviously started with a virgin or pistol lower. Note the lack of a buttstock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polymerhead View Post
    Easy chief, he obviously started with a virgin or pistol lower. Note the lack of a buttstock.
    Bingo. Stripped Aero Precision lower with a pistol buffer tube.

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    Lol I realized that after I posted but didnt edit in time. My bad.

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