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    Mine says Made in the USA.

    Japanese glass? I would hope so. They make some of the best lenses in the world, bar none.

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    I've been a long time lurker here and finally decided to register. I'm interested in getting a 1-4 variable for my new upper that I just had built. I think it's pretty universally agreed that the S&B Short Dot is THE best overall but what would people consider the second or third best if money weren't the only factor? I currently am considering the Nightforce NXS 1-4, the Horus Talon 1-4, or the Trijicon Accupoint if the combat reticle is released soon. I would consider the Meopta K-Dot but I really don't care for the reticle personally, but I've admittedly only seen the one reticle option so far.

    My only concern are that the Nightforce doesn't have a zero stop and isn't daytime visible which also would apply to the Horus Talon I guess as well. The Accupoint seems to offer most of what I need but I don't know how the glass quality compares to the others. Any suggestions and insight are appreciated. I really am trying to avoid spending upwards of $2K but want something I will be really happy with and not feel I have to upgrade in the long run.

    If it matters my upper specs are -

    16" Noveske C/L Medium Contour
    12" Larue Handrail
    LMT BCG
    PRi Gas Buster
    Troy BUIS
    Vortex FH

    *I still have to do my lower and stuff but I have a Geiselle Trigger awaiting that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerQ
    I've been a long time lurker here and finally decided to register. I'm interested in getting a 1-4 variable for my new upper that I just had built. I think it's pretty universally agreed that the S&B Short Dot is THE best overall but what would people consider the second or third best if money weren't the only factor? I currently am considering the Nightforce NXS 1-4, the Horus Talon 1-4, or the Trijicon Accupoint if the combat reticle is released soon. I would consider the Meopta K-Dot but I really don't care for the reticle personally, but I've admittedly only seen the one reticle option so far.

    My only concern are that the Nightforce doesn't have a zero stop and isn't daytime visible which also would apply to the Horus Talon I guess as well. The Accupoint seems to offer most of what I need but I don't know how the glass quality compares to the others. Any suggestions and insight are appreciated. I really am trying to avoid spending upwards of $2K but want something I will be really happy with and not feel I have to upgrade in the long run.

    If it matters my upper specs are -

    16" Noveske C/L Medium Contour
    12" Larue Handrail
    LMT BCG
    PRi Gas Buster
    Troy BUIS
    Vortex FH

    *I still have to do my lower and stuff but I have a Geiselle Trigger awaiting that too.
    Anyway you slice it, the TR21 is hard to beat, followed by the Talon and the NF. I would wait and see what Trijicon shows us at the SS.



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    I've been thinking about waiting to see what is coming along but I was just looking for opinions because no one seems to define what can be considered the next best offering after the Short Dot Price aside. I could technically save up for the S&B but if there was a less expensive alternative then I would take that route. I really like the concept of the Horus reticle, I hear alot about the NF glass quality, and everyone refers to the Accupoint as the best value in variable optics.

    I realize they will all have some tradeoffs but if they were all priced equally would you still recommend them in that order?

    1. Accupoint
    2. Talon
    3. NF

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerQ
    I've been thinking about waiting to see what is coming along but I was just looking for opinions because no one seems to define what can be considered the next best offering after the Short Dot Price aside. I could technically save up for the S&B but if there was a less expensive alternative then I would take that route. I really like the concept of the Horus reticle, I hear alot about the NF glass quality, and everyone refers to the Accupoint as the best value in variable optics.

    I realize they will all have some tradeoffs but if they were all priced equally would you still recommend them in that order?

    1. Accupoint
    2. Talon
    3. NF

    That is a hard one. If they were all the same price (like $1,100) then the NF would most likely get the choice.

    The Accupoint is longer than the others, but has excellent light transmission and is almost a steal! I would wait till the SS and see what shows up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MerQ
    I've been a long time lurker here and finally decided to register. I'm interested in getting a 1-4 variable for my new upper that I just had built. I think it's pretty universally agreed that the S&B Short Dot is THE best overall but what would people consider the second or third best if money weren't the only factor? I currently am considering the Nightforce NXS 1-4, the Horus Talon 1-4, or the Trijicon Accupoint if the combat reticle is released soon. I would consider the Meopta K-Dot but I really don't care for the reticle personally, but I've admittedly only seen the one reticle option so far.

    My only concern are that the Nightforce doesn't have a zero stop and isn't daytime visible which also would apply to the Horus Talon I guess as well. The Accupoint seems to offer most of what I need but I don't know how the glass quality compares to the others. Any suggestions and insight are appreciated. I really am trying to avoid spending upwards of $2K but want something I will be really happy with and not feel I have to upgrade in the long run.

    If it matters my upper specs are -

    16" Noveske C/L Medium Contour
    12" Larue Handrail
    LMT BCG
    PRi Gas Buster
    Troy BUIS
    Vortex FH

    *I still have to do my lower and stuff but I have a Geiselle Trigger awaiting that too.
    What are you going to be using your rifle for? Do you like to use the reticle for BDC (Horus) or do you like to use the turrets for BDC (Nightforce)? Do you need a daytime visible reticle (Trijicon)? The only one that has all three features is the S&B, but I like to use the reticle for BDC so I went the Horus route and love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulosantos
    What are you going to be using your rifle for? Do you like to use the reticle for BDC (Horus) or do you like to use the turrets for BDC (Nightforce)? Do you need a daytime visible reticle (Trijicon)? The only one that has all three features is the S&B, but I like to use the reticle for BDC so I went the Horus route and love it.
    This is my personal AR and will be used most for range shooting and home defense if it came down to it. The range that I normally go to only goes to about 250 or 300 yds I think. I forget because mostly use the pistol range. As far as reticle choices I really like the concept of the Talon but I can't find one in my area to look at. The Accupoint I have looked at and it was pretty nice and I've seen plenty of pictures of the Nightforce on the internet and the view through that had better clarity than the digital camera that took the picture. I'm still open as to which would be the next best for me after the Short Dot but I'm really am trying to convince myself to not spend the $2K if I feel I don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MerQ
    This is my personal AR and will be used most for range shooting and home defense if it came down to it. The range that I normally go to only goes to about 250 or 300 yds I think. I forget because mostly use the pistol range. As far as reticle choices I really like the concept of the Talon but I can't find one in my area to look at. The Accupoint I have looked at and it was pretty nice and I've seen plenty of pictures of the Nightforce on the internet and the view through that had better clarity than the digital camera that took the picture. I'm still open as to which would be the next best for me after the Short Dot but I'm really am trying to convince myself to not spend the $2K if I feel I don't have to.
    I wish you could see the Talon. I really like the whole Horus Concept. It is not as busy as some people think it is, especially if you learn to look through the reticle.

    If you are going to be using it more for the range and less for Home defense, I'd check out the Talon with the new H-47 reticle, which is coming out in February. It doesn't have the dot in the center, it has a cross and it is more for precision, while the H-48 is a more multi-purpose reticle. The range I belong to only goes out to 300 yards so I zero my Talon at 100 yards, this way all the holdovers are below the dot. I just wish I could test it out to 600 yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MudBug
    I'm left eye dominant, right hand shooter, some optics work well with both eyes open anyways (Tr-21, Eotech, Aimpoint, Acog), but some don't. The Meopta didn't.

    Still a great scope though.
    Thank you!

    I have been waiting to pull the trigger on a 1-4x because I have the same dominance issue and I refuse to shoot a rifle left handed as my dominant side. I do shoot my pistols lefty though (both eyes open works great).

    I'm gonna be scouring the EE for used tr21s after SHOT....

    And if I like it, I'll probably pick up one of the new ones as well and move the old one to my truck gun.
    "If I didn't know you, I'd probably go get something and kill you with it." yeabillieboa

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    Grant, I emailed Trijicon and the CS guy told me they didn't have any new/revised Accupoints coming out.

    Maybe he just didn't want to tell me.

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