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    Quote Originally Posted by Belmont31R View Post


    The new 1-8X Short-Dot coming out has both dot and reticle illumination (not at the same time).
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    Between the locking turrets, 2nd focal true day light visible 2moa dot, 1st focal illuminated reticle, ranging reticle (CC mil-dot), 75gr Hornady cam, diopter adjustment, close range parallax adjustment, et al, it's going to be a bad mother****er.

    The true advantage of the S&B is the red dot isn't a reflected reticle, the red dot is, basically, an aimpoint built into a scope. Normal illuminated reticles become illuminated by bouncing light off the special paint applied to a reticle etched on the glass. This accounts for the huge amounts of light lost.

    The SS 1-4x has promise, but with the max intensity battery life being that short, it's a non-starter for me.
    Where are you all reading that the S&B 1-8 will have an illuminated reticle in addition to the Flash dot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    The S&B 1-8x will be my next scope. Hopefully it will be released sometime in the near future.

    I wasn't so much looking for an 8x scope, but the new S&B has every feature I've been looking for in one place. The 8x is just gravy.

    Between the locking turrets, 2nd focal true day light visible 2moa dot, 1st focal illuminated reticle, ranging reticle (CC mil-dot), 75gr Hornady cam, diopter adjustment, close range parallax adjustment, et al, it's going to be a bad mother****er.

    The true advantage of the S&B is the red dot isn't a reflected reticle, the red dot is, basically, an aimpoint built into a scope. Normal illuminated reticles become illuminated by bouncing light off the special paint applied to a reticle etched on the glass. This accounts for the huge amounts of light lost.

    The SS 1-4x has promise, but with the max intensity battery life being that short, it's a non-starter for me.
    The short battery life is not as big of a deal on a scope that is still usable when the batteries are dead via a traditional black reticle. When an Aimpoint goes dead its a glass tube.
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    It's a huge deal if you are wanting that illumination. The battery life on the SS on the high setting is something miserable like 24 hours. Espically considering many people are drawn to the scope for that daylight illumination.

    I understand that it is useable, but not ideal. The new generation aimpoints, even when left on the highest setting, still last over a year. So the aimpoint has it's own set of advantages.

    I don't know where Belmont got his info, but I heard the same from one of the video reviews that came out just after the shot show. What I don't know is if this feature will make it to the production models. I've seen a few of those vids over the years where the end product is missing a couple of features from a press release.

    It was said that the first few settings on the illumination dial were for the reticle, the latter for the dot, and of course the spaces between settings off.

    However, what I can gather from the German and English S&B websites is everything else should be there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    The short battery life is not as big of a deal on a scope that is still usable when the batteries are dead via a traditional black reticle. When an Aimpoint goes dead its a glass tube.
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    But you're arguing with a group who have already made up their minds that anything less than a multi-thousand dollar scope (with features they will probably never be able to take advantage of themselves) is a "non starter."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    It's a huge deal if you are wanting that illumination. The battery life on the SS on the high setting is something miserable like 24 hours. Espically considering many people are drawn to the scope for that daylight illumination.

    I understand that it is useable, but not ideal. The new generation aimpoints, even when left on the highest setting, still last over a year. So the aimpoint has it's own set of advantages.

    I don't know where Belmont got his info, but I heard the same from one of the video reviews that came out just after the shot show. What I don't know is if this feature will make it to the production models. I've seen a few of those vids over the years where the end product is missing a couple of features from a press release.

    It was said that the first few settings on the illumination dial were for the reticle, the latter for the dot, and of course the spaces between settings off.

    However, what I can gather from the German and English S&B websites is everything else should be there.
    I just don't see it. I appreciate illumination in a scope and I demand it. But 24 hours of run time is fine. You don't have to leave it on. And like I said if the battery does die no big deal as you can still function at 90%. An Aimpoint won't allow you to reach out and touch someone at 500 yards. Its a CQB sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canonshooter View Post
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    But you're arguing with a group who have already made up their minds that anything less than a multi-thousand dollar scope (with features they will probably never be able to take advantage of themselves) is a "non starter."
    You pay for what you get. If you are willing to make a compromise to avoid a high price tag, then press on. I'm not. I've spent enough money, tried quite a few optic solutions, and know exactly what I want.

    I've had more than one device with a battery get accidentally turned on in storage. That's something I consider when buying. No matter what, spares are the rule of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    I've had more than one device with a battery get accidentally turned on in storage.
    Thus the beauty of devices that don't require batteries or "turning on" to be functional. Regardless of how long a battery lasts, it eventually runs out - or perhaps the electronics suffer some failure. I'd rather train to make maximum use of a perfectly usable reticle, and save the illumination for when it's truly needed - regardless of how much I paid for the scope or how long its battery lasts. But hey, that's just me....

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    Still one of my favorite 1-4s is the TR24 for that reason. Nothing to turn on, illumination good for 20+ years. Hard to argue with that. But like every other product, it has it's limitations.

    I'm not trying to slam the SS at all. I'm sure it's a fine scope. It just isn't for me. Understand that every product makes trade offs. For the S&B, it's cost without a doubt. For the SS, just from what I've read, it's battery life.

    There is a lot of fluff out there about needing/wanting a ranging reticule in a 1-4x. If you've actually tried to read mils at 4x, you know it's hard to do. I think a mil reticule is much more useful for drop compensation in a 4x rather than ranging. Even then, some of the graduations are pretty coarse.

    If all you're using your optic for is maybe one hour range trips, casual plinking or at most a 3-gun competition, then you may be perfectly happy with a 24 hour battery life and "running at 90%".

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    The Schmidt and Bender dot system has been in use for over a decade, and Ive never heard of a single failure from the electronics....b/oth on 'tactical' and 'hunting' forums.



    But there will always be battery adverse people. The 2032 is a long establish battery, and they are stupid simple. Even get the medical rated ones if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bp7178 View Post
    Still one of my favorite 1-4s is the TR24 for that reason. Nothing to turn on, illumination good for 20+ years. Hard to argue with that. But like every other product, it has it's limitations.

    I'm not trying to slam the SS at all. I'm sure it's a fine scope. It just isn't for me. Understand that every product makes trade offs. For the S&B, it's cost without a doubt. For the SS, just from what I've read, it's battery life.

    There is a lot of fluff out there about needing/wanting a ranging reticule in a 1-4x. If you've actually tried to read mils at 4x, you know it's hard to do. I think a mil reticule is much more useful for drop compensation in a 4x rather than ranging. Even then, some of the graduations are pretty coarse.

    If all you're using your optic for is maybe one hour range trips, casual plinking or at most a 3-gun competition, then you may be perfectly happy with a 24 hour battery life and "running at 90%".
    Actually I use my optics for a lot of things including work on my patrol rifle, three gun and training. I have never been in a situation where I had to leave my optic on for 24 hours straight. I am not a week end shooter that does casual range trips. 24 hours of use is not ideal but its far from a deal breaker. Just carry some extra batteries. The weapon lights we use don't run for 24 hours in a row either but some how we manage.

    I like the TR24 and I own one. The down sides to it are however its not very easy to use past 400 yards. A friend of mine just got back from the Larue match and his TR24 was difficult for him to use on the targets past 300 due to the scope having no BDC. Great scope but it has its limitations. I like the Swarovski Z6i 1-6 BRT. Not even sure what the battery life is. You flick it on before a call and turn it off afterwards. Its fast and easy. And if the batteries are dead and assuming its not night time you still have a usable scope. Anything S&B makes is going to be of high quality.
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