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    Hmm. Lately I've really been thinking of getting a 1-4X that doesn't have illumination, yet has a reticle that sticks out enough that I could use it with both eyes open. I got to try a circle X reticle on a 2-7X awhile back, and based on that experience it seems like it would work quite well shooting both eyes open at a decent pace (1X at least).

    Anyone use a reticle like this with out illumination on 1X?



    Only the pricey illuminated options seem to be bright enough for the day time, and I don't shoot much at night (if at all). I'm looking for something sub $350, and the Leupold shotgun scope with the circle X reticle seems like a good bet, even if it does give up some accuracy. It's even available in FDE, which I thought was kind of odd for a no frills shotgun line.

    Rhino and anyone else that uses/used a non illuminated 1-4X, do you still think it's a viable option for quick and medium range shots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by olds442tyguy View Post
    Rhino and anyone else that uses/used a non illuminated 1-4X, do you still think it's a viable option for quick and medium range shots?
    Absolutely, at least when you have plenty of light. Obviously when it gets dark, you're going to have problems, but in the daylight, all you need is a consistent cheek weld and the speed difference between it and a red dot is neglibible. The red dots, of course, are more forgiving of head position with respect to the optic.

    I've never tried an illuminated low powered variable scope. I can see how it would be cool to be able to see the illumination in bright sunlight, but as long as you have close a true 1X, I remain unconvinced it's a significant advantage in speed as long as you can see your reticle okay. (I suppose that's a huge caveat!). At night or dimmer light, and illuminated reticle would be awesome, but I could get by without being able to see it in the bright sunshine.

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    Okay . . . some comments on using my trusty old Leupold Vari-X II 1-4X20mm today:

    I used it on 1X (probably somewhere between 1.1X and 1.5X in actual magnification) and it was fine for close stuff and targets out to 70-80 yards. The light was adequate for me to see the reticle (a simple Leupold duplex) and I don't think I was going any slower than I do with my EOTech on my other gun.

    When we shot at 300 and 200 yards, I cranked it up to 4X (probably a little less than that in actual magnication). The 300 was prone, and the 200 was freestyle, which I chose to shoot from prone.

    The only issue I encountered was eye relief when I had it 4X. When I got into prone, with my nose to the charging handle, it was just a little too close to the glass and I lost the full image a few times. It's not a problem when I'm standing, so obviously my head is not in the same place when I am prone even though I believed my nose was at the charging handle. I solved it by pulling my head back less than a quarter inch, but this tells me I may want to move the scope a little farther forward in the future.

    The simple (and elegant) duplex reticle works great ... as long as you know the distance and holdovers aren't a big issue. Shooting at 300, I can see the utility in some kind of range-finding reticle (like mil-dots or one of the newer, more sophisticated reticles). For close range, fast shooting it's just fine, and I think it's probably better than a busier reticle for that application. Perhaps an illuminated dot for close range (that you can see in daylight) is a good thing when the etched part of the reticle is busy ... you can just look at the dot and ignore the rest when you are blasting!

    I did have six misses (total) of 32 shots at those distances, but I'm not sure why. I'm fairly sure all were at 300 (see my topic in the competition forum about shooting at longer rangers), but since I've never shot beyond 240 yards, it was totally new to me. I'll need to find out where I am hitting at 300 to know if it's a hardware or slushware problem.

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    Anyone have a source for the Horus and USO online?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Anyone have a source for the Horus and USO online?
    Here is their contact page. It's probably your best bet.

    http://www.horusvision.com/contact.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Anyone have a source for the Horus and USO online?

    We are a horus dealer and am getting ready to place an order with them if there is something you want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    We are a horus dealer and am getting ready to place an order with them if there is something you want.


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    Not yet. I'm just in another charting mood and was trying to compile info on the various 1-2/5 optics out there. The Horus site doesn't apear to give me much of the info I'm looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Not yet. I'm just in another charting mood and was trying to compile info on the various 1-2/5 optics out there. The Horus site doesn't apear to give me much of the info I'm looking for.

    D. Fortier had a piece in one of the G&A AR15 issues where he charted a bunch of stats on various scopes. It included a number of low powered variables. If you saved issue that check it out. If not , oot me a PM or post your question and I'll see if he covered it.

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    So far I'm tracking the following specs
    Make Model # Model Name weight length Eye Relief Min. Eye Relief Max Reticle Min Power Max Power Obj. OD Street Price Illuminated

    For the following scopes
    Schmidt & Bender 946SD Short Dot
    Schmidt & Bender 976L9Z Zenith
    Trijicon TR21R Accupoint
    Leupold LEU56994 MR/T
    Leupold LEU59100 MR/T
    Leupold LEU52155 CQ/T
    Night Force NXS1424
    Kahles 51806 Helia CSX
    Kahles 51601 Helia C
    Meopta 706580 Meostar R1
    Meopta 706550 Meostar R1
    Meopta 706540 Meostar R1

    I'm open to suggestions for other models to cover. I'd like to find info on the Horus and the USO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    So far I'm tracking the following specs
    Make Model # Model Name weight length Eye Relief Min. Eye Relief Max Reticle Min Power Max Power Obj. OD Street Price Illuminated

    For the following scopes
    Schmidt & Bender 946SD Short Dot
    Schmidt & Bender 976L9Z Zenith
    Trijicon TR21R Accupoint
    Leupold LEU56994 MR/T
    Leupold LEU59100 MR/T
    Leupold LEU52155 CQ/T
    Night Force NXS1424
    Kahles 51806 Helia CSX
    Kahles 51601 Helia C
    Meopta 706580 Meostar R1
    Meopta 706550 Meostar R1
    Meopta 706540 Meostar R1

    I'm open to suggestions for other models to cover. I'd like to find info on the Horus and the USO.
    Might want to add whether scopes are 1st or 2nd focal plane designs.

    Here's the data for some of your listed models from Fortier's article:

    Trijicon
    Mag: 1.25 - 4X
    Obj Dia: 24mm
    FOV: 61.6 -20.5
    Ext Pup: 16.9 - 6mm
    Eye Relief: 4.8 - 3.4
    Tot Adj: 110 MOA
    Click Val: .25 MOA
    Tube: 1"
    Length: 10.2"
    Weight: 11.4 oz
    Power: tritium/fiber optics
    Price: $700

    Leupy MRT
    Mag: 1.5 - 5X
    Obj Dia: 20mm
    FOV: 65.7 -23.7
    Ext Pup: 13.3 - 4mm
    Eye Relief: 4.4 - 3.6
    Tot Adj: 80 MOA
    Click Val: .50 MOA
    Tube: 30mm
    Length: 9.4"
    Weight: 15 oz
    Power: DL1/3N
    Price: $799


    HORUS
    Mag: 1 - 4X
    Obj Dia: 24mm
    FOV: 26.3 - 7.5 meters (get out the conversion tables)
    Ext Pup: 24 - 6mm
    Eye Relief: 4.3 - 3.5
    Tot Adj: 15 Mils
    Click Val: .1 Mil
    Tube: 30mm
    Length: 9.75"
    Weight: 15.9 oz
    Power: CR2032
    Price: $989


    Meopta (non-illuminated model)
    Mag: 1.5 - 5X
    Obj Dia: 20mm
    FOV: 81 - 23.7
    Ext Pup: 13.3 - 4mm
    Eye Relief: 3.1 constant
    Tot Adj: 63 MOA
    Click Val: .25 MOA
    Tube: 30mm
    Length: 9.4"
    Weight: 14.1 oz
    Power: N/A
    Price: $699

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