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    Lots of press and sticky's here for the S&B. But too much money for me.

    For the price of one S&B, I can buy an ACOG TA11F, a Aimpoint ML3, a case of 5.56, and still have a couple of hundred of dollars left over.

    I love Aimpoints/Eotechs. For me they are very accurate out to 200 yards and nothing is easier and nothing is faster.

    But I am also a ACOG junkie. I just love looking through the glass of an ACOG. The world just seems so much brighter and clearer with an ACOG. In low light conditions (such as at night and only having street lamps for illumination) is where the ACOG shines. The FOV of an ACOG (TA11, TA01NSN) is also just awesome for a compact package.

    I myself think I would rather just leave the ACOG on the rifle while having the Aimpoint in the pouch in standby mode. If both have QD levers, changing them will probably just as fast as changing a mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    I myself think I would rather just leave the ACOG on the rifle while having the Aimpoint in the pouch in standby mode. If both have QD levers, changing them will probably just as fast as changing a mag.
    You must really suck at mag changes then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UPSguy View Post
    You must really suck at mag changes then.
    either that or i am really fast at changing out optics

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    Lots of press and sticky's here for the S&B. But too much money for me.

    For the price of one S&B, I can buy an ACOG TA11F, a Aimpoint ML3, a case of 5.56, and still have a couple of hundred of dollars left over.

    I love Aimpoints/Eotechs. For me they are very accurate out to 200 yards and nothing is easier and nothing is faster.

    But I am also a ACOG junkie. I just love looking through the glass of an ACOG. The world just seems so much brighter and clearer with an ACOG. In low light conditions (such as at night and only having street lamps for illumination) is where the ACOG shines. The FOV of an ACOG (TA11, TA01NSN) is also just awesome for a compact package.

    I myself think I would rather just leave the ACOG on the rifle while having the Aimpoint in the pouch in standby mode. If both have QD levers, changing them will probably just as fast as changing a mag.
    The whole point of a good variable power optic is versatility. It is both an Aimpoint and a ACOG in one scope. Also I tried the route of keeping a spare optic on Larue mounts in my patrol bag. It does not work. You will not have time of space to carry two optics. Also if you can't reload faster than you can change optics you need to take a remedial rifle course. A good reload can be done in about 2 seconds an optics swap is going to take about 30 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    The whole point of a good variable power optic is versatility. It is both an Aimpoint and a ACOG in one scope. Also I tried the route of keeping a spare optic on Larue mounts in my patrol bag. It does not work. You will not have time of space to carry two optics. Also if you can't reload faster than you can change optics you need to take a remedial rifle course. A good reload can be done in about 2 seconds an optics swap is going to take about 30 seconds.
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    Agree. Aimpoints are really good for targets out to say 100yds and ACOG's are really good from 100yds-250yds.

    1-4's really allow you to do everything pretty well and there is no need to have remove anything from your weapon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    The whole point of a good variable power optic is versatility. It is both an Aimpoint and a ACOG in one scope. Also I tried the route of keeping a spare optic on Larue mounts in my patrol bag. It does not work. You will not have time of space to carry two optics. Also if you can't reload faster than you can change optics you need to take a remedial rifle course. A good reload can be done in about 2 seconds an optics swap is going to take about 30 seconds.
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    I myself think the S&B will be neither as good as an Aimpoint or an ACOG. I see your point in it is a great compromise between the 2, but it's a compromise you are paying $600 more for.

    I think a better compromise would be the flip away magnifier + aimpoint. Only bad thing with this compromise is that the added weight of 1100 extra dollars in my pocket.

    So 30 seconds to change the optic was not enough? Would you not make sure you have the right optic on your gun before the mission? When would you have to change optics mid mission? And even if you did, would 30 seconds not be enough?

    After looking at some mag change vids on Youtube, I will be the first to admit I am slow at changing mags. I think I will spend 4 hours tonight practicing doing that while watching TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    I myself think the S&B will be neither as good as an Aimpoint or an ACOG. I see your point in it is a great compromise between the 2, but it's a compromise you are paying $600 more for.

    I think a better compromise would be the flip away magnifier + aimpoint. Only bad thing with this compromise is that the added weight of 1100 extra dollars in my pocket.

    So 30 seconds to change the optic was not enough? Would you not make sure you have the right optic on your gun before the mission? When would you have to change optics mid mission? And even if you did, would 30 seconds not be enough?

    After looking at some reloading vids on Youtube, I can see I am pretty slow at reloading. I think I will spend 4 hours tonight practicing doing that while watching TV.


    How much time do you have with a Short Dot? While a 1.1X is not equal to a 1X, it damn close.



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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    How much time do you have with a Short Dot? While a 1.1X is not equal to a 1X, it damn close.

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    No experience here with the Shortdot, only experience I have with 1-4x optics are IOR's and Millets... and I also got to sample a Nightforce. Granted I know the Shortdot is a better quality optic compared to these, but in general they are all the same. Limited FOV in 4x mode and eye relief on a 1x mode is not infinate.

    I am sure I can learn to love Shortdot, but to me nothing is easier than an Aimpoint/Eotech. For 4x mag, nothing beats the glass and FOV of an ACOG. Best of all I could own both of these and have about $600 left over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    I myself think the S&B will be neither as good as an Aimpoint or an ACOG. I see your point in it is a great compromise between the 2, but it's a compromise you are paying $600 more for.

    I think a better compromise would be the flip away magnifier + aimpoint. Only bad thing with this compromise is that the added weight of 1100 extra dollars in my pocket.

    So 30 seconds to change the optic was not enough? Would you not make sure you have the right optic on your gun before the mission? When would you have to change optics mid mission? And even if you did, would 30 seconds not be enough?

    After looking at some mag change vids on Youtube, I will be the first to admit I am slow at changing mags. I think I will spend 4 hours tonight practicing doing that while watching TV.

    Why would you change optics mid mission? Easy. You are on a perimeter team where having magnification is nice. Suddenly the entry team needs your help now magnification is not so nice. A flip mounted magnifier is another option but they are not cheap either.
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