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    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    Agree. Aimpoints are really good for targets out to say 100yds and ACOG's are really good from 100yds-250yds.

    1-4's really allow you to do everything pretty well and there is no need to have remove anything from your weapon.


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    I'm with Grant on this one. I have Aimpoint, Trijicon and ShortDot covered in my collection with chingos of trigger time with all three. ShortDot is the way to go. There are two types of people when it comes to AR optics: Those with a ShortDot and those that wished their wives would let them spend the money to get a ShortDot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaskapopo View Post
    Why would you change optics mid mission? Easy. You are on a perimeter team where having magnification is nice. Suddenly the entry team needs your help now magnification is not so nice. A flip mounted magnifier is another option but they are not cheap either.
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    I just want to start by saying I am not trying to be argumentive here

    Say if the entry team does call you in, you can't spend that extra 15 seconds swapping ACOG for Aimpoint (via QD mounts) before going in? I am sure the delay in the call coming in will be much more greater than that 15 seconds.

    Now my choice would be the swap method since I love ACOGs so much....

    But I can fully understand if you want everything on the gun. The Aimpoint + flip to the side Magnifier is a much better option and it is about $1000 cheaper to boot! For CQB we all agree the Aimpoint is easiest and fastest. The Aimpoint also has a 5 year battery life where the S&B only has 1 day batter life. Aimpoint has been proven to be very durable. I think the durability of the S&B is still questionable.

    Since we all like to play Murphy's Law, I say the battery failure on the S&B is much more deadly than that 15 seconds you took swapping optics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davemcdonald View Post
    I'm with Grant on this one. I have Aimpoint, Trijicon and ShortDot covered in my collection with chingos of trigger time with all three. ShortDot is the way to go. There are two types of people when it comes to AR optics: Those with a ShortDot and those that wished their wives would let them spend the money to get a ShortDot.

    Dave

    chingos = 1 metric asston or time equivalent

    Or in my case, those that wished they have enough money to get a Short Dot.

    I know it is a good optic, but for $2000 I think not. YMMV

    Also it is not like ACOGs, Aimpoint, or Aimpoint Magnifiers are chinese cheap optcs. These have all been combat tested and all are made in the USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    No experience here with the Shortdot...
    At this time, I'd suggest a refresher of our mission statement on this site. With no experience with the optic you are denegrating, you're quite a bit outside you're lane.

    A Millet or IOR is not an S&B and they have myriad differences that can not be explained away as "I tried this other optic once and it should be close enough to compare it...."

    Sorry. It's simply not going to play out that way on this site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
    At this time, I'd suggest a refresher of our mission statement on this site. With no experience with the optic you are denegrating, you're quite a bit outside you're lane.

    A Millet or IOR is not an S&B and they have myriad differences that can not be explained away as "I tried this other optic once and it should be close enough to compare it...."

    Sorry. It's simply not going to play out that way on this site.
    I am not degenerating anything. I am sure the glass is well worth the price of admission. I have found high price optics never dissapoint. I am just asking questions is all, and commenting facts... how about that 1 day battery life.

    Ok no more from me about the Short Dot. But can I talk about 1-4x optics in general?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    I just want to start by saying I am not trying to be argumentive here

    Say if the entry team does call you in, you can't spend that extra 15 seconds swapping ACOG for Aimpoint (via QD mounts) before going in? I am sure the delay in the call coming in will be much more greater than that 15 seconds.

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    Well if it was you who were wounded and needed help now would you want me to wait 15 extra seconds before I came in to help. A lot can happen in 15 seconds.
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    I don't know anything about a one day battery life. I have had my ShortDot for a year. It is still using the same battery that it shipped with and it still has the original spare battery as well. The ShortDot has an auto shut off for those of us that are absent minded. I bought plenty of spare batteries for my ShortDot at Costco for "just in case" and have yet to open the package. It has seen range time somewhere between 2 to 4 days a month over the last year and has been to one advanced carbine class. If you are getting this optic for work , ie LE, Mil or Gov then there are some significant discounts to be had from Schmidt and Bender USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    But can I talk about 1-4x optics in general?
    Stick closely to the exact optics with which you have spent quality time. We have some pretty experienced users on this board and we strive to keep the signal-to-noise ratio very high.

    Currently, your comparisons are clouding an issue with a stunningly low depth of knowledge on the subject.

    I own both a Leupold 1-5 and S&B 1-4. I can tell you that even between these two, they are not close to equal. There is more in contrast than there are similarities. I like the Leupold for it's price tag and 90% solution to the S&B. However, the illuminated reticle washes out on light backgrounds fairly easily, which immediately shifts it to 2nd flight for universal use.

    Also, I've personally been on range with an S&B short dot that lasted at least 3 days of a carbine class running the dot full time each day. So I'm curious of your source for 1 day battery life??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHIVAN View Post
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    Also, I've personally been on range with an S&B short dot that lasted at least 3 days of a carbine class running the dot full time each day. So I'm curious of your source for 1 day battery life??
    1 day was a slight understatment. But 100 hours (4 days) is not. That's what it says on S&B's website. It says 50,000 hours on Aimpoints website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricCartmann View Post
    1 day was a slight understatment. But 100 hours (4 days) is not. That's what it says on S&B's website. It says 50,000 hours on Aimpoints website.
    With all due respect you seem to make a habit out of making huge understatments and false assumptions. On another web site you claimed stainless AR barrels only last 5000 rounds. Its always best to stop and research a topic so you can give an informed opinion instead of a false assumption that simply spreads false information.
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