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    Quote Originally Posted by hikeeba View Post
    I'll try to get some pics through the MTAC tonight. I became acquainted with the Burris Ballistic CQ reticle by looking through an AR-332 and a Tac30 at Cabela's. Other big box outdoorsy-type storeI had read grumblings about the reticle appearing small and/or unsable on the AR-332, and heard that it looked 'bigger' in the Tac30. To me, it seemed perfectly usable in both optics, but it would behoove one to study the reticle a bit prior to using it as it is a tad busy.

    And yes, you'd need different mounts for an RDS and a 1-4x scope. Don't forget to figure the mount into your budget (if applicable; some RDS sights do include a mount). And choosing a mount can almost be as fun as figuring out which optic to get. Yeehaw!
    Thanks. I’ll look forward to the photos. I live remotely, so it’s an overnight trip to look at anything. Up till last spring, the nearest Cabela’s was 9 hours one way. Now, there is one in the state, but it’s still an overnight trip.

    I’ve been pointed to the LaRue Tactical SPR / M4 Scope Mount, and since LaRue has such a good reputation in the AR world, I might just bite the $195 bullet and get it and forego the mount research.
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    MTAC with reticle illumination turned off - reticle will appear black. Picture is taken with scope set on 1x, with a paper towel in front of the front sight:


    MTAC with reticle illumination on level 2 - reticle appears red in color. Picture is taken with the scope set to 4x with a paper towel set about 3' in front of the scope. Rifle is also laying on its right side on the floor:


    I apologize for my lack of quality pics and/or detail. I was unable to get to this last night until late, and then I had a rough time getting the reticle in focus with my wife's new-fandangled wonder camera. The older camera I used in the past to capture the target/reticle picture posted earlier had no charge when I went use it last night, but it will be fully charged by the time I get home this evening. The iPhone was not the ideal tool for this project.


    One thing I like about the MTAC 1-4x reticle illumination is that there is an 'off' step/click/detent between each illumination level. One doesn't need to rotate the illumination knob all the way up or down to turn of the illumination; just need to turn it one click in either direction.


    wingspar/Gary, let me know if you have further questions, or if you want me to give it another go with the pics.


    As for mounts, I don't think you can go wrong with LaRue. My MTAC is in an American Defense Recon mount, which has a similar forward offset to the LaRue LT104 SPR/M4 mount. The 1-4x scope in my 200-yard picture above needed to be positioned farther forward to work well for me, and it is in an extended mount that is similar to LaRue's SPR-E LT139 mount. Just be sure you consider the eye relief of whatever scope you decide to get, as well as where you position your head before pulling the trigger on a mount. You don't have to get crazy-scientific about it and break out the calipers, but just think about it. You may want to toss your rear BUIS into that equation, too. I don't mean to further boggle your brain; just trying to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hikeeba View Post
    MTAC with reticle illumination turned off - reticle will appear black. Picture is taken with scope set on 1x, with a paper towel in front of the front sight:

    MTAC with reticle illumination on level 2 - reticle appears red in color. Picture is taken with the scope set to 4x with a paper towel set about 3' in front of the scope. Rifle is also laying on its right side on the floor:

    I apologize for my lack of quality pics and/or detail. I was unable to get to this last night until late, and then I had a rough time getting the reticle in focus with my wife's new-fandangled wonder camera. The older camera I used in the past to capture the target/reticle picture posted earlier had no charge when I went use it last night, but it will be fully charged by the time I get home this evening. The iPhone was not the ideal tool for this project.


    One thing I like about the MTAC 1-4x reticle illumination is that there is an 'off' step/click/detent between each illumination level. One doesn't need to rotate the illumination knob all the way up or down to turn of the illumination; just need to turn it one click in either direction.


    wingspar/Gary, let me know if you have further questions, or if you want me to give it another go with the pics.


    As for mounts, I don't think you can go wrong with LaRue. My MTAC is in an American Defense Recon mount, which has a similar forward offset to the LaRue LT104 SPR/M4 mount. The 1-4x scope in my 200-yard picture above needed to be positioned farther forward to work well for me, and it is in an extended mount that is similar to LaRue's SPR-E LT139 mount. Just be sure you consider the eye relief of whatever scope you decide to get, as well as where you position your head before pulling the trigger on a mount. You don't have to get crazy-scientific about it and break out the calipers, but just think about it. You may want to toss your rear BUIS into that equation, too. I don't mean to further boggle your brain; just trying to help.
    Thank you for taking the time to take the photos. As much photography as I’ve done, I know how difficult that probably was.

    How much of a help are the full cross hairs in your photos on page 31 vs the small circle with cross hairs in the circle in actual use?

    I’m sure I have a lot to learn about where to mount the scope in relation to eye relief, and will there enough room for a rear BUIS. Before I invest in a BUIS tho, I’m going to see how it works to just switch from the carry handle to the scope and back first. That’s all I may really need. This will be on a stock Colt 6920.

    As for mounts, I’m guessing the LaRue LT104 SPR/M4 is probably top of the line as far as dismounting and remounting and maintaining zero and may be overkill for my use. There may be other just as capable mounts out there for less money, but I’m thinking why fiddle fart with mounts, just get the best to start with. While I do my research on a scope, I’ll keep any eye on threads about mounts and research them a little.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wingspar View Post
    How much of a help are the full cross hairs in your photos on page 31 vs the small circle with cross hairs in the circle in actual use?
    Heh heh... The scope in the picture was my 'trial' 1-4x. It's a Bushnell Banner, and I think it was $69. The Circle-X reticle is pretty quick to place on target within 50 yards, and is reasonably OK out to maybe 100 yards. Beyond that, it gets chunky, busy, and obscuring. It isn't a recipe for precision awesomeness at 200 yards, but it'll do OK at that distance if it has good equipment underneath, and probably better-than-OK with someone other than me in the driver's seat.

    Despite it's shortcomings and cheapo price, it has held zero just fine and has worked well for me in the controlled setting that is the gun club rifle range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hikeeba View Post
    Heh heh... The scope in the picture was my 'trial' 1-4x. It's a Bushnell Banner, and I think it was $69. The Circle-X reticle is pretty quick to place on target within 50 yards, and is reasonably OK out to maybe 100 yards. Beyond that, it gets chunky, busy, and obscuring. It isn't a recipe for precision awesomeness at 200 yards, but it'll do OK at that distance if it has good equipment underneath, and probably better-than-OK with someone other than me in the driver's seat.

    Despite it's shortcomings and cheapo price, it has held zero just fine and has worked well for me in the controlled setting that is the gun club rifle range.
    Well, the Bushnell Banner seems to have pretty high reviews at Cabelas. Thanks for the photos and info. I’ll continue to ask questions so I’m armed with enough info to know what to look for when I do get a chance to actually look at some scopes.
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    Does anyone have hands on with the Hawke 1-4x24 Endurance? I am looking for a low power variable and can fit this and a new mount in the budget this summer. Problem is I can't find any good info on the scope or company.
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    So...are there any day-light visible 1-4X optics of good quality (no foam-doughnuts, junk like that) in the $9-1500 range yet that are quality (ie glass as clear/clearer than my ACOG's)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    So...are there any day-light visible 1-4X optics of good quality (no foam-doughnuts, junk like that) in the $9-1500 range yet that are quality (ie glass as clear/clearer than my ACOG's)?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    Yes.
    But if you are set on your cog then just stick with it.

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    Sold my ACOG's a long time ago and went with a M4S. I would like the best of both worlds, though, and use the ACOG as a benchmark for the meeting point of clarity/durability/cost. If there is a 1-4X that is daylight visible that fits that triad, I would be interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WS6 View Post
    Sold my ACOG's a long time ago and went with a M4S. I would like the best of both worlds, though, and use the ACOG as a benchmark for the meeting point of clarity/durability/cost. If there is a 1-4X that is daylight visible that fits that triad, I would be interested.
    The Trijicom TR24G 1-4x Accupoint should meet your needs but the triangle reticle isn't optimal out past 250yds but it works great if you know your holds.
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