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Remember, the Founding Fathers reason for the 2nd Amendment... to combat tyranny. Sadly, when people discuss the 2nd Amendment, the opponents erroneously think it was meant to stand alone... it HAS a preamble:
"...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..."
— John Hancock
Gary
Will Fly for Food... and more Ammo
Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a government agency.
At the NRA show yesterday I looked once again at the Nightforce 1-4X. I don't know why they don't make he dot brighter-- year after year it continues to be an "illuminated reticule" and not a "red dot". I find it not bright enough to use for daylight close and fast at 1X.
ok ive been reading till i'm blue in the face. so help me out.
looking for something that will provide the following
-more of a "red dot" when illuminated than an "illuminated reticle"
-simple mil based reticle (dont care if its mil-dot or hash just dont want it too busy expecially at low zoom)
-ffp/dfp (again think red dot at 1x but i dont want the dot any bigger at 4x)
-as close to a true 1x as possible when set at 1x
-decently light weight 16-19oz preferably
would like to stay $12-1300< but would spend a few hundred more if it made a huge difference
edit: i dont care if it has capped turrets since its not a precision scope
Last edited by mikeith; 05-05-13 at 21:50.
I'm really happy with my Leupold VXR-Patrol 1-4x scope, and it's only $600-.
"I’m also convinced there’s a reason they don’t call themselves Dayforce Optics." - BigJimFish
The low powered NXS compact optics line has somewhat devolved over the years. People get more money for their used non-zero stop 2.5-10x24 scopes than brand new 2.5-10x32 scopes with zero stop retail for.
"Life is short, but the years are long." - Robert A. Heinlein
I just grabbed a 1-4 and have great early impressions of it. I'll be at a long range rifle course in June and will have to post back after that with how the optic performed. FWIW, I considered the following prior to purchasing this optic: Vortex PST 1-4, SWFA 1-4, Weaver 1-5, Leupold MKIV 1-5.
Leupold VX-R patrol 1.25-4x20 with illuminated SPR reticle
ADM Recon mount
Pros:
Cost (got it for a little above $500 with tax, street price is $579 if you can find one in stock)
Mil/mil
Great glass
Weight (11.6oz)
Good illumination
Holdover values calibrated for 5.56 and 7.62
Great feeling turrets (a la Nughtforce) with very positive clicks
Illumination auto off/motion-activated auto on
Very unobtrusive illumination dial (button)
Cons:
Stupid white writing everywhere
Not a true 1 power
Illumination button slower to adjust than a dial
No capped turrets
No zero stop
EDIT: here's the best review I've found on em: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/inde...owtopic=136078
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Last edited by munch520; 05-07-13 at 12:59.
After spending I cannot count how many hours from page:1 all the way now to page:40, I have almost completely decided upon the:
Leupold VXR-Patrol 1-4x
It's about $250 more than I wanted to spend on a scope.
The first one I had in mind was the HiLux CMR but they are $300-$350 now.
Second choice was the Millet DMS1. I'm not too crazy with the reticle.
And reading reviews I feel it is more of a range optic than a "combat/defensive" optic?
Just wanted to put my $.02 in and say also this thread has been a big help in my search for an optic solution.
The VXR will be going on a BCM 20" (From G&R Tact) and I plan on purchasing an Aimpoint PRO from him as well to go on my Stag Arms.
*MY line in the sand has long been drawn.
And in today's world... it's sobering to look what ground is left in front of it*
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But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; - Ephesians 5:3
Been looking for a secondary optic for my SCAR 16 SBR, which wears an Aimpoint Pro in ADM QD mount, sometimes in conjunction with a weapon mounted NVD for night hunting - love the Pro but wanted a day option, low power variable to put on it when the situation warrants.
As it will be a second optic for the weapon, wanted to keep overall costs down, and as its an SBR, want to keep it light weight as possible. A low end of 1.5x wasn't a problem as I have two other scopes like that and my eyes / brain can work that out.
After researching it I went with the Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1.5-4x20mm Firedot-G SPR in an AD-Recon-S, both purchased from James at Otto Firearms. Very similar to the VX-R Patrol 1.25-4x scopes mentioned above, but smaller, lighter, cheaper, and possessing most of the same attributes, with some loss of low end magnification (1.5 vice 1.25) and illumination levels (6 vice 8). It also has a 1 inch tube vice 30MM of the VX-R model.
I don't really like the illumination controls (the single Leupold gold button on the left side) which goes up one level per press of the button, then flashes, followed by going down one level of brightness per press. But I dont hate it either, its just different. It does have Leupolds new MST - Motion Sensor Technology, which turns the illumination off after 5 minutes - I timed my example and @4+50 the Firedot flashes then turns off at 5 minutes - then the slightest motions turns it back on, which is nice. It appears to be daylight visible at the highest setting, but it isn't as big as an Aimpoint dot as it is only 0.3 mils. (Note that the dot looks bigger than pictured).
The elevation turrent is marked for Mils and yards for .223 / 55gr / 3100 FPS and custom turrets are available from Leupold, I'll probably do for 5.56 / 62gr / SBR velocities. People who have used it says it works well for them on various Internet reviews.
Anyway, I haven't been able to shoot it yet but after mounting it I believe it'll fit the bill of being able to help me reach out accurately to 300-400m, as well as see what I'm shooting at.
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(like most scopes, it could benefit from a Switchview lever for faster - easier magnification changes)
(dot appears bigger and brighter in reality)
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Last edited by RHINOWSO; 05-27-13 at 18:30.
I am looking to pick up one of the VX-R 1.25-4x optics.
I did some research and went out to local shops that stocked Leupolds. I saw the 1.5-4x and it was not something I wanted. While I do want a 1-6x optic.
Anyone have or can take "more detailed" pix of the VX-R ?
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