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    What I have seen if you want a feel good opinion this is not the sight to be on . These guys give you real world answers. Quality and functionality is key.The problem us neewbies to AR's have is they all look the same and claim to be the same. Fact is they are not.Use the search key on this sight and actually have the dealer field strip the gun and you will see the QA issues mentioned here. Just my uneducated AR 2 cents! I love my Colt just ordered 10 magazines from BCM.

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    I have a Spike lower with BCM BFH upper, BCM BCG and BCM CH. Am I allowed to continue posting here? I hope I am not committing a sin.

    All kidding aside, I wanted a blem BCM lower but could not find it in stock anywhere at the time. Then, I came across this Spikes lower for a very low price. I am happy.

    Something that has not been mentioned is that Spikes is suffering from crazy delays. They don't even give estimates of when an upper or a complete rifle will be in stock....I have a co-worker that waited for over 12 weeks to get his order shipped. However, his rifle looked very nice and so far has performed well at the range and in some tactical classes. I guess time will tell.

    In contrast, BCM keeps a healthy stock of their uppers, and they ship very quick. Also, BCM's customer service is the best I have experienced so far from a firearms company. If I could do it again BCM would be my first AR....However, my first AR ended up being a RRA..... I know...I know..... I learned my lesson. BCM, DD and Colt are the best rifles in my opinion. You get great quality for a very reasonable price. Next in my list is Training, then a Colt, then training again, then a DD and then training again.....repeating the process as needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave L. View Post
    Tantamount to listing to an argument about which STD is better.
    The ones you can get rid of...generally speaking. I think I'd take asymptomatic HPV over Syphilis, though.

    In contrast, BCM keeps a healthy stock of their uppers, and they ship very quick. Also, BCM's customer service is the best I have experienced so far from a firearms company. If I could do it again BCM would be my first AR....However, my first AR ended up being a RRA..... I know...I know..... I learned my lesson. BCM, DD and Colt are the best rifles in my opinion. You get great quality for a very reasonable price. Next in my list is Training, then a Colt, then training again, then a DD and then training again.....repeating the process as needed.
    That really, really depends on what you want. They have plenty of 14.5" and 16" uppers in stock, but they're out of most of the others. I really wish they'd do a BFH 20" A4 upper.
    Last edited by Nmate; 04-27-12 at 03:55.

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    I generally don't care about a company's marketing or logos, but if you offer me two products and claim they are equal but one has obnoxious marketing and silly logos, I'll choose the one without.

    I have been to Spike's, toured the factory, and like the guys there. But I can't stand the way they market their stuff, and do not want spiders, color-fill, or weird crusader phrases on my gun. If you told me the only way to get a good gun was to have those things I'd take them but that's clearly not the case.

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    $800 is your budget. I'd save up for another month, or add a little debt to a piece of plastic and up the level a bit.

    You can still get a PSA Patrol Rifle (complete) for $1199
    http://palmettostatearmory.com/index...e-package.html

    The optic alone is $430 +/- if you shop around hard enough and find a place that does not require LEO/MIL verification. If you don't like the rifle and want to upgrade, I'm sure you can pluck the Aimpoint and still get $800 for the rifle in resale for an upgrade.

    At some point everyone and their neighbor is going to strongly recommend getting a RDS optic of some sort, which is going to add that $430 to your cost of playing. The Aimpoint PRO is an excellent optic.

    Hardly anybody ever factors in the accessories and fluff to their budget. Mags, sling, BUIS (if applicable), optic, upgrades, rails, grips...Oh yeah, ammo, training classes, rifle case, cleaning kit, more ammo....You can easily double your cost of an entry level rifle getting the full treatment without going overboard with unnecessary BS.

    My base rifle = $1400. Customized to my comfort and 8 mags = $2400. Two training classes, ammo (reloading parts), and more items that I grabbed because the price was < 75% of retail (spare BCG, mags...) = $4k.

    2300 rounds down the pipe. Total # of equipment failures (firing cycle - 3, shit falling off rifle -1) to date = 4, and all 4 were operator **** up, and none of them took me out of the game for more than 3 seconds.

    Do your research, get over the "Must have it now" feeling, shop around, plan, and up that budget.

    FWIW - every manufacturer is subject to having a problem leave the shop, and it will happen when you absolutely don't want it to. My last class a gentleman had a brandy new $3k Noveske package that ran like a champ on day 1 (300 rounds). Day 2 was FTFeed every mag (short stroking - under-gassed) with M855.
    Sticks

    Grasseater // Grass~eat~er noun, often attributive \ˈgras-ē-tər\
    A person who is incapable of independent thought; a person who is herd animal-like in behavior; one who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; a foolish person.
    See also Sheep

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    Not looking for an optic for the rifle yet. I want to get good with the iron sights first. If I had 1200 I'd definitely be getting a colt though.

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    So...........why not just save up for another month and get the Colt?


    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer15 View Post
    Not looking for an optic for the rifle yet. I want to get good with the iron sights first. If I had 1200 I'd definitely be getting a colt though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjinks View Post
    So...........why not just save up for another month and get the Colt?
    Because its another month! lol. I'm really impatient, but I think that's what I'm gonna do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    I generally don't care about a company's marketing or logos, but if you offer me two products and claim they are equal but one has obnoxious marketing and silly logos, I'll choose the one without.

    I have been to Spike's, toured the factory, and like the guys there. But I can't stand the way they market their stuff, and do not want spiders, color-fill, or weird crusader phrases on my gun. If you told me the only way to get a good gun was to have those things I'd take them but that's clearly not the case.
    Not even "Jesus Stick?"

    To the OP, don't make the same mistakes I and others have, listen to the advice here and buy a quality AR.
    Todd
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazer15 View Post
    Good advice! I think I'm gonna go that route. BCM blem lower, colt 6920 upper w/ BCM bcg and colt CH. 900 bucks.

    Is this a better solution?
    I think that is a great solution. I would try to find a BCM upper only for cosmetic reasons of having a pure BCM carbine but if you cant find one the Colt is a great choice and IMO there is no upper that is better than a colt.

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