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    Quote Originally Posted by sjc3081 View Post
    What is wrong with a UBR.
    NYS law restricts folding and telescoping stocks only.
    The UBR technically does neither.
    UBR is a no-go unless you pin it (which is a waste of a perfectly good $200+ stock).

    Todd0000 is right on: just pin (and epoxy!) a collapsable stock in place. You want that epoxy on the receiver extension tube as well as in the hole and over the pin(s) you use. When done properly, someone would end up breaking your receiver extension and thus rendering the rifle inoperable if they tried to move that stock.

    NY's AWB makes no sense at all, but goofing around with the provisions is just asking for trouble.

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    What about a prs style stock? You could make one with a CTR or two. Just drill a few holes in the buttplate of one and tap the buttplate of another (or use the pad attached to a piece of steel) and make the buttplate adjustable ala prs or Anschutz stock?

    It's best to blame my misspelled words on autocorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallowpufft View Post
    What about a prs style stock? You could make one with a CTR or two. Just drill a few holes in the buttplate of one and tap the buttplate of another (or use the pad attached to a piece of steel) and make the buttplate adjustable ala prs or Anschutz stock?

    It's best to blame my misspelled words on autocorrect.
    PRS is GTG.

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    Why not make one for a carbine length extension that meets up with the pads used by McMillan for their buttstocks? Uses existing hardware, might be relatively simple to mold off the existing fixed 'entry' stocks for ban states, and might not suck too horribly.

    Small market, and most people being able to get by with A1 stocks is the biggest detractor, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd00000 View Post
    "Why doesn't this type of stock exist?"
    Because only people in a few commi states need it.
    That and most platform users within those states (me being one) don't feel the need to change LOP every 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks or even 2 years.

    Once a comfortable LOP is established, which is the difficult part but made easier if you've a preban or freinds with different stock sets to try out, then there's not much more need for adjustability.

    At least not enough to warrant purchasing a system that has X# of parts that will likely become redundant closet dust collectors once a comfortable LOP is established.

    Doubtful there would be a resale market for the adjustment sections, and depending on if its butt end type may not even be neccisary if one has some rubber, polymer, plywood, stacks of washers or any number of other materials that could be used to shim to length.

    Its not a 'bad' idea mind you, but something that would be niche within a niche market meaning poor volume of sales even under the best conditions and even less so if its not perfect, cost effective, and yes even visually appealing in a mechanical or cool way.

    If it didn't meet those criteria people would continue to do as they have been for almost 2 decades: Establish thier LOP and buy a stock appropriate to that, or, create a pair of lowers or complete guns with one being carbine based with short LOP and another in rifle configuration with long LOP.

    Take whichever one applies to the current need.

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    I could never live in any state that has such ridiculous laws!

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    Wow, how timely.

    I totally agree w/ the OP in that the fixed stock solutions currently available are less than optimal for some users, including myself. I'm actually designing a stock along this line of thinking. I've tried clay models, wood models and am now trying to hunt down someone w/ CAD capability to make a plastic model.

    I live in NJ and have run this same idea past the head of the NJSP firearm's dept., and it's good to go from his perspective.

    Watch out Magpul and VLtor, here I come

    Some thoughts...

    Someone mentioned that there aren't enough people who live in Ban states to matter - I strongly disagree. CA, HI, NJ, NY, IL, CT, MA and I believe MD to some degree, all have some flavor of AWB. If you look at the population density of most of these states, you're talking about A LOT of people, and potential gun owners.

    Someone mentioned just pinning a collapsable and be done with it. I disagree. I have a rifle that came w/ a standard M4 stock pinned to it and I hated it. It was the 1st thing I changed about it. If I have to have a fixed stock, why settlle for less than optimal comfort, accessories, etc., w/ a compromise. Why not have a fixed stock that addresses all these shortcomings? Why not also include some level of the end user fitting the length of pull to their liking in a non-permanent way if not neccessary?

    I have the VLtor A1 length Rifle Modstock on one of my rifles. In the instructions that come w/ the kit, VLtor states that the stock can be affixed to a carbine style buffer tube, but for those that live in AWB states, the stock must still be pinned to the buffer tube. If using the Rifle style buffer tube, pinning is not neccessary. If you are wanting to use a carbine length buffer tube and don't want to pin it, use a rifle style carbine length stock. The ACE Entry, Rock River Entry and Sully all use this for their stocks. I don't know, but I would guess that a tube for AR15 pistol setups would work as well.

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    I may be way off, if so im sorry, I dont know the actual laws. If a bullet button makes a rifle legal because it requires a tool to remove the magazine would the same not apply to the stock. Create a stock that requires a bullet to adjust the length of pull. If I understand correctly the stock can have any length of pull as long as its fixed and not adjustable with out tools? Would this work?

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    If the stock could, look cool, and the length be switch reasonably quickly I would fit a gun with one. Living deep behind enemy lines in land of pizza and bagels, means that myself being small and short armed prefers a stock pinned all the way in, most of my shooting fellows are on the larger/taller side of the scale, they can't comfortably shoot my carbine due to orangutan sized arms, it would be nice to be able to set a rifle up for a new shooter rather quickly.

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    Are you just trying to think of new ideas, or do you have a really long length of pull?

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