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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    We live in a world full of risks, some controllable, some not. Some risks are big like a tire failure, some risks small like an AR failure. The soldier requires a top quality weapon. A cop needs a top quality weapon. The average guy will never know the difference. To answer the question, I am not advocating buying a lesser quality weapon, just trying to put the risk in perspective.
    I guess so. This average guy (and many other average guys on this forum) train with said weapon(s) so we WILL see failures with crap weapons. That is a no go in my book.


    So the answer to your question is that I view my life as the same as a Soldiers or LE's life. While I certainly won't have to shoot it as much as say a soldier, I do not know the future and what is coming. Better to plan for the worst and hope for the best than the other way around.


    C4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    Interesting. What specific, documented information do you base these odds on?

    We get your point, but don't deny you are just throwing crap at the wall to see if it will stick.
    I won't deny stirring the pot Safety. After all, we don't jump into these things so we can all agree. The numbers are guestimates for the sake of discussion. Pulled out thin air. I'm sorry I didn't make that clear.

    Every week I see two or three or more guys I have never seen before show up at the range with their Ollies, Bushies, stuff I've never heard of, very few Colts, LMTs and the like. They are buying what the gun salesmen are peddling and they are peddling what they have and that ain't Colts and LMTs. These guys shoot their couple of hundred rounds for the year and go home with a big grin. The amazing thing is how few failures I see. It is rare anyone has a problem with an AR on the ranges I frequent. Grant, IG et al, see things from a different angle than I do. They see the busted guns, the problem guns. I see them working. And no, I'm not comparing my experience and expertise with Grant, and IG, I'm contrasting it. Even the lesser brands of AR don't fail 5% of the time, one in a thousand failure rate or less is what I guestimate, eliminating the ammo, operator error and magazine related failures. That's a guestimate mind you and I wouldn't argue with one in five hundred. Multiply that by the slim chance a civilian or even your typical LEO will ever use his AR in a fight and you have a really small number. You guys should be gratified that your favorite bang stick works so well, even when when the lineage is questionable. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate the purchase of any of these guns. I get asked pretty regularly for advice and my advice is Colt.

    Quote Originally Posted by C4IGrant View Post
    .....Better to plan for the worst and hope for the best than the other way around....C4
    I certainly agree. In fact, I'm spending most of my free time in May on the end of a shovel treating my house for termites, preemptive not reactive. The only exception is my weekly half day at the range.
    Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 05-02-12 at 13:29.

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    Now consider the commonly given advice, "buy a Colt and shoot the heck out of it." I submit a Colt with 5,000 rounds down the pipe is less reliable than the Bushie with 500 rounds given that there are no grave flaws in the Bushie and the grave flaws seem to be unusual and in the distant past, at least in my limited experience.
    I submit that either way, you are better off shooting 5k rounds. Your gear might not be as reliable, but you are MORE reliable.

    Training trumps gear.

    If you maintain your colt, then it will be just as reliable as day one, when it was brand new. The same cannot be said for out of spec weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiz View Post
    ....If you maintain your colt, then it will be just as reliable as day one, when it was brand new......
    Not for me as I don't know a program of planned maintenance for the various parts that break. That's for another day, another thread. For now, my crisis gun is semi-retired and I will run my practice gun to failure, fix it and run it some more. I looked at the stickies and didn't see any such schedule or plan. If anyone has or has seen such I would appreciate a reference.
    Last edited by Suwannee Tim; 05-02-12 at 21:10.

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