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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    Can you quantify why it's the minimum standard other than it's existence?

    Probably because it is a performance standard established around the round to which it applies, in this case a 5.56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly16 View Post
    In the world of m4c a company that exceeds the TDP's quality standards is a good thing. A company that doesn't even meet that level is a bad thing.
    Then perhaps the M4C world should become more than drones beating the TDP drum and learn to think for themselves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    Probably because it is a performance standard established around the round to which it applies, in this case a 5.56.
    Then the answer to my question is, "No."?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    Then the answer to my question is, "No."?

    Sounds to me like you are looking to play games at this point. Have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    Can you quantify why it's the minimum standard other than it's existence?
    sure - in a nutshell, it's the minimum standard that the parts manufactured need to meet in dimensions, materials and testing to ensure parts interchangeability, life/durability, and performance etc. of the weapon as required by the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    Then perhaps the M4C world should become more than drones beating the TDP drum and learn to think for themselves?
    What posts are you referring to where a member of m4c derided a company that exceed the TDP quality standards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safetyhit View Post
    Sounds to me like you are looking to play games at this point. Have at it.
    I may be challenging dogma but I'm not playing games. It's a serious question. Is the TDP the minimum standard because it's the the "best" standard or because it's the only one published? Also, is it possible to build a "good" carbine that doesn't necessarily meet the TDP?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly16 View Post
    What posts are you referring to where a member of m4c derided a company that exceed the TDP quality standards?
    None, but I have seen members deride a company that didn't meet the TDP specs for deviations that, truth be told are inconsequential for the intended purpose.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    None, but I have seen members deride a company that didn't meet the TDP specs for deviations that, truth be told are inconsequential for the intended purpose.

    I completely agree in context, but that doesn't deny the need for a military based standard or make it irrelevant to most. If you want to do so much thinking you can elaborate what deviations you feel would be sensible and why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    And what's wrong with that? If they're requirement is for a cool looking gun that's as cheap as possible a HK716 probably isn't the right answer is it?
    the problem is that the people looking at the cheapest cool looking gun still expect it to function/perform, and are surprised when it doesn't.

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    As we all know, people use AR's for lots of things. Some of them include:

    1. Target shooting
    2. Hunting
    3. Gun Games
    4. Plinking
    5. LE/MIL
    6. Self Defense


    In categories 1, 2, 3 and 4, the TDP has little to no relevance. Meaning that if your gun fails in some way, it really doesn't matter and is mostly an "inconvenience." So buy whatever you like that you believe will best fit your needs.

    Categories 5 and 6 is a different type of animal. These guns might be saving someone’s life. So for them, we want a known standard to follow to ensure that every part fits, is reliable and can deliver a certain level of accuracy.

    Now the question is, are their guns or parts that go above what the TDP calls for? I am sure there are some parts that will outlive a part built to the TDP standard. I am also sure that some people BELIEVE that something is better just because it fits their needs better, but it actually isn't better in any way (Carbine gas vs Middy Gas systems come to mind).

    IMHO, there are few parts that have been verified (or at least tested) as being better than what the TDP calls out. Most of the "enhanced" parts are pretty much smoke and mirrors when you get right down to it.




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