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Exactly my thoughts.
This whole thread reeks of someone trying to justify their purchase of a carbine that's not suitable for anything other than range use.
Sure, a company can not follow the TDP and still make a quality rifle suitable for self defense. BUT.. They need to be using the TDP as a minimum and then they can improve on that as they see fit. Literally every company out there that is not following "mil-spec" or the TDP is doing so to save $$$. It's not hard to see.
Why would a manufacturer not follow "mil-spec" requirements and/or the TDP? Think about it. Why would they not? What reason do they have not to? Because they can save money. They can cut corners.
I don't care if my Magpul stock or other accessories does not meet the TDP because generally they are not associated with the reliability and quality standard of the gun. It's simply to customize the rifle to suit the primary user (you) better.
My BCM is using all kinds of different accessories (all quality) that might not technically meet the TDP, BUT the heart of the gun and where it counts definitely does -- that's what matters and that's where companies like Rock River and Bushmaster cut so many corners.
I read more than I post & I wouldn't call having a discussion on determining requirements and filling needs "stirring the pot". But I'll be honest, my thread the other day narrowing down carbine choices that got shut down drove this post but it's something I've been wanting to discuss for a while. Folks gave their input usually "Get Colt, DD, a BCM. They're quality guns." but for the most part were unable to explain why. Which IMO pointed to people not really knowing what quality actually is. I took it as an opportunity to fill a gap with some knowledge & hopefully get people to evaluate needs/wants/application/use prior to making decisions or giving input. IMO, it's not enough to have the right an answer, you should be able to qualify it as well and lately people haven't really been doing that.
Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
How do you determine suitability? I'm challenging the dogma that "suitable" always = "TDP spec".
Maybe the end user is not the military?
I hear you but, that is a result of poor QC from a vendor not deviating from the TDP.
Last edited by Sry0fcr; 05-01-12 at 12:07.
Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
Anybody that spends an hour here, and still doesnt know what is quality, and why, I don't think they ever will.
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Since most of the people asking the questions aren't asking the right questions either, I'd say they get what they deserve. If someone doesn't ask anything more than "what AR should I get?" then they really don't deserve any more response than "Get a Colt, BCM, DD, etc."
Your thread that got locked appeared to be a fishing expedition as well, frankly.
I would like for you to stop attempting to be socratic and superior and vague and instead be specific.
He asked you a question. Answer it. Outside of cost, what un-checked box on the Chart is a positive reason for an empty blank? Yes, I've read all the recent nonsense from companies that do not wish to pay for, or know how to perform, HPT/MPI, regarding how skipping it is "better" so let's leave that one alone as a tar baby we don't want to get stuck in. Pick something else.
What you defined there is accuracy, not quality. You might be confusing "quality of service" with the actual term "quality", which is a characteristic of an item. The former relates to accuracy and is what you are talking about - getting precisely what you ordered. That is not at all the same thing as the actual term "quality". You might be missing the context of Crosby's definition.
Last edited by feedramp; 05-01-12 at 12:35.
I answered his question. The reason that Colt follows the TDP is because it's what the military specified. Specifications aren't positive or negative, they're just specs. It's up to the customer to decide what they want and up to the vendor to provide exactly what's the customer ordered. It's really that simple. I can only answer that question for myself and my requirements, others may differ and that's fine.
Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
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