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    Quote Originally Posted by Sry0fcr View Post
    This is just a discussion, I think a good one. There's nothing wrong with the TDP, I never said there was ever a problem with it and I'm not proposing a new standard.
    Thus sayeth the quality control expert, who does this for a living.

    Fork is inserted - fork test reveals... DONE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmzy View Post
    No way in hell I'd trust my life with a Kimber on my hip or my nightstand.

    THAT is why I own Wilson Combat 1911s now - not a single failure of any sort after thousands of rounds fired through 3 of them.

    Sometimes rumors ARE true. I've had first hand experience with it - never again. I dont want to start a 1911 pissing contest, but seriously. Don't make generalizations. There are reasons WHY people bash Kimbers. There are reasons WHY people bash DPMS guns etc.
    If you've got one that works, great, but do not discount other's experience with them.
    I had three different Kimbers that worked fine when I sold them, and each had passed the 500 round break-in.

    I now have MIM free 1911's: Baer (UTC), Brown (Special Forces), Dan Wesson (Valor).

    FYI: Colt reportedly has four MIM parts in their 1911's, so if anyone is resolved to only use the "best" to defend themself and theirs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suwannee Tim View Post
    A little approximate calculation if you will permit me: the probability of a law abiding citizen getting into a gunfight, 1/1,000, the probability he will have or be able to get his AR before the fight is over, 1/10, the probability his Colt will fail, costing him his life, 1/10,000 and the probability his Bushie will fail costing him his life, 1/1000. So the probability your Colt will fail and cost you your life, 1/10,000,000 or 0.0000001, the probability your Bushie will fail you and cost you your life, 1/1,000,000 or 0.000001. I do not worry much about such low probability events.

    Now consider the commonly given advice, "buy a Colt and shoot the heck out of it." I submit a Colt with 5,000 rounds down the pipe is less reliable than the Bushie with 500 rounds given that there are no grave flaws in the Bushie and the grave flaws seem to be unusual and in the distant past, at least in my limited experience.

    I expect many years pass and no law abiding civilian and no police officer looses his life because his AR failed him. There is not a day that goes by that a civillian does not loose his life to tire failure nor a week that goes by that a cop does not loose his life to tire failure. This is the kind of thing I worry about.
    Who brought Mr. Reality in here to ruin our fun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDW4ME View Post
    I had three different Kimbers that worked fine when I sold them, and each had passed the 500 round break-in.

    I now have MIM free 1911's: Baer (UTC), Brown (Special Forces), Dan Wesson (Valor).

    FYI: Colt reportedly has four MIM parts in their 1911's, so if anyone is resolved to only use the "best" to defend themself and theirs...
    Funny, it wasn't Kimber's excessive use of MIM parts that caused the failures with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Thus sayeth the quality control expert, who does this for a living.

    Fork is inserted - fork test reveals... DONE.
    I'm QA, not QC. It was a discussion, not a mass movement to create a new standard. If I was going to go through all the trouble to develop a better standard you better damn well believe that I'm bringing it to market and not opening it up to open discussion with random people on the internet. Lighten up Francis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    There is a difference in leading a discussion and being antagonistic, and most of your posts have been the latter. You spend your money on what you want and I'll do the same. Frankly thanks to this forum I was able to learn a ton of info before I purchased my AR (BCM 16in. Middy) and I may not put thousands of rounds through it a year but I know it will work when I want/need it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sucram24 View Post
    There is a difference in leading a discussion and being antagonistic.
    I agree but I don't think that they're always mutually exclusive. In the end, I've decided against buying a carbine. I'll use the money to round out my carry gear and get more handgun training and start shooting IDPA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaykayyy
    And to the guys whining about spending more on training, and relying less on the hardware, you just sound like your [sic] trying to make yourself feel superior.

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    So do you know the definition of quality yet, or do you still have it confused with order fulfillment accuracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    The TDP is the minimum acceptable standard. What many forget is that is also the maximum acceptable standard. To deviate in any way from the stated specifications requires that the deviation is allowed as a suitable substitute. Otherwise it's out of spec.
    Couldn't have said it better...

    This guy should be appointed the M4C Mil-Spec SME.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    This thread tells me that many people still don't get it.

    First, I must make a correction- I stated that the TDP gives the minimum and the maximum. That's not quite right. The TDP is the acceptable standard.
    While not technically right, it was an accurate definition. Grant, are you taking notes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Why exactly are we wasting bandwidth on this thread when we have discussed it time and again in various ways?
    A-****ing-men!

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    Shit is this thread still going?


    If you have needs/requirements/wants that differ from what a TDP spec'd rifle can offer you, then go buy or build another rifle to fill your niche.

    Otherwise, the TDP is the best set of criteria for building a reliable general purpose carbine while maintaining a cost threshold and known quality.
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