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Thread: Are 'muzzle high' tactics generally a no-no?

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    Mr. Defoor seems to like the high port position...

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=96756

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Defoor View Post
    High port is the only way to run with any gun, but especially a rifle. The Teams have done it forever, and everyone, yes even the Army, is now realizing it and how much it makes sense along with high ready. *That said, you have to be proficient at both low and high positions to be a complete shooter. I'll always lean toward high because I've seen it's advantages in the real world. It's hard to explain but even those that have come to my classes and were non-believers have left convinced. Again, you have to know both low and high positions though.

    some definitions;

    High port- one hand only on weapon (usually strong hand). Barrel pointed straight up in the air (don't spill your beer!) . Good reference is optic or iron sight touching or almost touching shoulder or kit strap.

    High ready- both hands on weapon. Barrel is at an angle toward the shooter's other strong side so he can see past the hand guard, but still pointed up in the air. Good reference is optic or iron sight touching high chest of shooter. Buttstock is under arm. Can be more aggressive in a CQB or urban type setting where the barrel is more toward the target and the optic or iron sight is just off the chest.

    Low port- patrol position. Both hands on weapon. Sling might support a bit of the weight depending. Weapon is flat against body. A right handed shooter would have the selector switch side of a m4 against his body in this position. Barrel pointed at ground in front. Super relaxed.

    Low ready- both hands on weapon. Roughly a 30 degree down angle, but depends on targets relation to shooter. No cheekweld. Looking just over the top of optic or iron sight. It's possible that you can be in the low ready pointing up at the third floor of a building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunt_ak View Post
    Thanks for the reply. I hear ya on 'absolutes'. The guy who comments and says "Weak gun handling skills, bro, only idiots do that. Oh, and BTW, lose the plastic and get a REAL gun" gets on my nerves. I realize a few tours overseas can give you TONS of insight on this subject but I don't think it makes you a SME by any means...
    I'd pretty much ignore him after that remark.

    As others with much more experience and expertise have said, High Ready (or whatever it may be called) has a time and place. For someone to outright discredit it shows (to me) a close-minded attitude, or a "I know it all" point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jds44 View Post
    Mr. Defoor seems to like the high port position...

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=96756
    From reading this, it would appear that he is talking about moving quickly (running) with a gun (not standing still after he just shot someone and is scanning for another threat).



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    I don't have an issue with positions such as compressed high ready and make use of them as the situation dictates their use. I don't have much use for the muzzle being pointed straight up and don't make use of it often, if at all though. I'm not a fan if running with a gun in that position either, especially if using a handgun.

    Everyone has different takes on gun positioning. Read the various opinions, do some self study, and then make your own choices

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    Well, you can look at it this way. Carrying a rifle muzzle up is a perfectly acceptable method of carrying a hunting rifle. I don't think that picture necessarily represents a safety issue, but it might not be the best way to scan (as Grant noted). However, in the case of your photo I think you were in the process of scanning to the rear and were afraid of covering the adjacent shooter on the line. In that case it was probably a good case of situational awareness. In the class Jason taught us to scan to the rear as well as left to right. Demands of the line required you to go muzzle high on your rearward scan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKDoug View Post
    Demands of the line required you to go muzzle high on your rearward scan.
    You mean while already working in a muzzle up position during the initial stages of the scan, right?

    Also you can scan to the rear while working in a compressed high ready by keeping the muzzle oriented forward

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    Give some thought to adding a follow-up question to the cited Ask the SME thread as to how the different ready/port positions relate to pistol, and why.

    This thread is also carbine-specific, but may provide some food for thought: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ghlight=muzzle
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    Quote Originally Posted by hunt_ak View Post
    I dont think you will find any reputable tactical team that teaches the "Hollywood ready" as an acceptable method.


    Definitely get the mods permission to post this in the SME section, and be sure to tell Jason that he's aparrantly "not reputable."
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    Quote Originally Posted by F-Trooper05 View Post


    Definitely get the mods permission to post this in the SME section, and be sure to tell Jason that he's aparrantly "not reputable."
    What you quoted was a comment made by a friend of the OP, not a comment by the OP himself:


    I've seen 'muzzle high' training/tactics in videos recently and after he said:

    I dont think you will find any reputable tactical team that teaches the "Hollywood ready" as an acceptable method.

    I thought I would let you guys chew on it. Whats the scoop?
    Last edited by Arctic1; 05-01-12 at 12:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic1 View Post
    What you quoted was a comment made by a friend of the OP, not a comment by the OP himself:
    Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm friends with the OP.
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