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    Quote Originally Posted by ac130usnsr View Post
    One in which the LGS likely makes 60-100% profit off of the $2k RRA and maybe 10% profit off of the SR-15.
    This.

    It's all about margins/volume pricing and manufacturer incentives to salespeople and management/ownership for pushing a certain product. Happens in every business. The sooner you realize it, the less frustrating it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    The fact that we tolerate that kind of crap is the crux of the problem. It's easier for people to just say "well, that's the way it is" and accept lying, cheating, and stealing than it is to try to change it.
    And here's the kind of response you get when you try to change it:

    http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=686018

    There was a thread going on with a bunch of back slapping about how the guys could get "$479 bottom dollar ar's"

    I tried to spread a little truth and immediately became the target. The worst comments were deleted, but suffice it to say that not only was I personally attacked and called names, but my upbringing was questioned and my parents were called out as well...ridiculous.

    Seems like the public at large likes ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    I watched one of them actually explaining the differences between a DD and a Bushamster to a customer, who bought the DD.

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    I don't know if you did that spelling on purpose but it's quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by !Nvasi0n View Post
    My opinion is the days of retail store "salesmen" are over. Back in the day you relied on your local appliance store guy to "sell" you the goods. But today, if you go into any store...and ask anything other than do you take cash/credit/check...or can you order xxxx...then you deserve what you get. This is the computer age, no excuses for uneducated dipsihittery...if you don't know what's the best you ain't done enough homework.

    Can blame the guy for pushing his product
    Dont even get me started.

    Sure there is no excuse but people are idiots and spread idiocy on the internet. Just google M4A1 reliability, there you go idiocy.

    Luckily my local guy is really good and carries a wide range of stuff. He carries colts and KAC and recommends them but when people want cheap he carries decent cheap stuff too.

    Now my local academy is another story, according to them the Beretta M9 is a POS and is being replaced by a M&P .45 with a 35rnd hi cap mag........

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    Quote Originally Posted by djmorris View Post
    So.

    I went into my LGS the other day and was looking at their AR's. They never carry quality rifles. They stock DPMS, Stag, Bushmaster, Rock River, Olympic Arms, Windham Armory, and other assorted junk.

    I was at the counter and the guy asked me if I needed help with anything. Here's how it went:




    Me: Why don't you guys carry any quality rifles like Colt, BCM, or Daniel Defense?"

    LGS dude: [insert smirky, 'matter of fact' face here] -- With those guns you're paying for the name, not the quality

    Me: Really? Colts are good enough for the US military. That must mean something, right?

    LGS dude: ACTUALLY, I was in the Marines. They are moving away from Colt's and going to FN because they are way better. Colt's are honestly junk.

    Me: REALLY.. Wow, I didn't know that (still playing dumb)...

    LGS dude: Yup. But what you really want is a Rock River. **Points to some incredibly stupid looking RRA rifle for $1299 that had some kind of name like Tactical Operator SWAT or some other wannabe shit** They are the best; them and Stag rule the AR industry. Army is even switching over to Rock River."

    Me: So is the Rock River better than Colt?

    LGS dude: Oh yeah! You're paying for quality, not the name with RRA. This is what I shoot. They're better than the Colt's, hands down. We sell mostly these and the Stags, sometimes DPMS.



    At this point I'm expecting that ol' Mr Stoner was about to roll over in his grave. I really wish I had brought in like a "hidden camera" deal or something. This really was golden. I continued to ask about some Rock River uppers they had on display.



    Me: What's the twist rate on this upper?

    LGS dude: Huh? It's a Rock River.

    Me: Right, but what is the twist of the barrel?



    He starts looking around, presumably looking for the manager because he had no idea what I was talking about. Here comes the manager.



    Manager: What'd you want to know?

    Me: What's the twist rate of this Rock River upper?

    Manager: It's just normal.

    Me: Normal???

    Manager: Yeah.. Like a 1/9 or something. That's what all AR's are unless you're buying something like a Colt. (very negative tone)



    Now, at this point, I was about ready to shove the Junk River upper down his throat. I asked him if he could order most any upper I want because I've got a spare Bravo Company lower than I'm looking to build. He shook his head a bit and said we don't care anything like that, implying that it's a no name, generic piece of crap.

    OK. They know nothing. Fair enough. Mind you, this is the largest firearms shop this side of the state. They have one quality rifle in the entire building, a lonely Knights Armament SR15, possibly the finest AR in existence just begging for an owner. It's an all FDE model and it's dripping in sexiness.

    Just as I'm about to finish my handgun fondling of all different sorts this other fella walks up and starts talking about AR's. He's talking to a totally different employee -- one that I had not spoken with. He says that he wants the best one there is but he doesn't know much about them.

    I was thinking "Yeah! Here we go, he's gonna get the SR15!" (a bit jealous, I admit)

    What does the gun shop guru grab? The SR-15? Nope. You guessed it. Rock freaking River. I don't remember the exact price on the particular model but it was close to two grand.. It really was quite fugly and I didn't see one quality part on it. At this point, I could not take anymore and I just left with my tail between my legs.


    Sorry for this fairly useless post, but I just don't get it. Why do gun shops push the commercialized junk rifles? Do they make more on the mass produced ones? Bias because that's what they own?

    I know something like this should not bother me but to be misinforming literally hundreds of customers every week/month does piss me off just a tad!!
    I'm willing to bet it's supply and demand. They can actually get Rock Rivers, DPMS and Stags from their distributors so they push those because they won't have any problems restocking their shelves if they sell out. On top of that, they probably make a larger profit off of those because dealer price is probably lower on those commercial ar's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ASH556 View Post
    And here's the kind of response you get when you try to change it:

    http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=686018

    There was a thread going on with a bunch of back slapping about how the guys could get "$479 bottom dollar ar's"

    I tried to spread a little truth and immediately became the target. The worst comments were deleted, but suffice it to say that not only was I personally attacked and called names, but my upbringing was questioned and my parents were called out as well...ridiculous.

    Seems like the public at large likes ignorance.
    That thread......the stu....pid..... It....hurts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ac130usnsr View Post
    One in which the LGS likely makes 60-100% profit off of the $2k RRA and maybe 10% profit off of the SR-15.


    My experience is about 10-15% margins on AR rifles...no matter the brand. The difference is usually what PEOPLE ASK FOR.
    I work in a LGS, and i have a DDV5. When someone asks which AR i would buy i tell them DD, Colt, BCM, etc. and have often showed them the chart. Most of them just get this confused look and say "what about RRA, Bushmaster or DPMS?"

    If i could only sell quality AR rifles i would, but most people ask for the shit ones, so if i want to stay open i have to stock the shit ones...I have a DD, Colt 6920, and a bunch of others on the shelf and i hope to be a LMT dealer next year, but i don't think i can ever completely eliminate the shit rifles...too much demand, i have had customers want a RRA so bad they pay in full and wait for months when a Colt or DD is sitting right there.


    Just saying, it's not always the LGS guy, sometimes is coming from the other side of the counter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fetep View Post
    My local gunstore guys are super knowledgeable, but they don't carry anything but RRA, Stag, DPMS, and Occasionally a Colt. So I venteured two hours to a place dreams are made:-) They had Dozens and Dozens of AR's you could actually touch and handle, carried all the rifles I was looking at, and had a ton of accessories, made me a great deal on two LMT's and my salesman still e-mails me, 3 weeks later! If it wasn't 2 hours away i would be there 3 days a week and be way poorer. I can't speak highly enough about them, every step of the process was amazing!

    I'm not sure if I can post this but I will and if it's wrong by all means delete it!

    Steve @ http://silverbulletfirearms.com/

    I have been to dozens of gun shops, and this is by far a few steps ahead of the others, they negotiate pricing, and absolutely know the product.

    Fetep


    Who is your LGS? I work about an hour north of silver bullet, at another shop. They are a good bunch of guys! Nice range too i go there in the winter...beats picking snow out of your gear when you get home.
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