Advice Wanted:

[The_War_Wagon]

PINCH MORE PENNIES - TWO Comp M4's!

LOVE the EOTech - it's good kit - my EYES can't focus with that reticle, though - astigmatism.

I LIKE the M4 too, but I own T-1's, a CompM2, and a Pro also. They'll GET the job done.

[El Cid]

I was under the impression that Eotech did get their act together and used better parts and a more reliable design on their newer models? From what I've heard and read, it seems like the battery compartment issues have been fixed.

My understanding was that the batteries in the originals (512, 552 style) running lengthwise was a problem. During recoil the batteries were being pushed back and forth against the springs until they finally had nothing left to give.

The newer EOTechs (XPS) have the battery mounted transverse to the weapon to avoid this issue. They also save the amount of rail space taken up by the optic.

[B Cart]

The newer EOTechs (XPS) have the battery mounted transverse to the weapon to avoid this issue. They also save the amount of rail space taken up by the optic.

Cool, I thought the newer XPS models were good to go. I was just a little confused after JSantoro said that Eotech should spend less time making biotech reticles and put more effort into better materials for their internals. Since the XPS line (which supposedly already fixed the problems and had much better internals) was created before they created that stupid Biotech reticle, it sounded like maybe people have been still seeing battery issues with the XPS line.

At any rate, I hope the new Eotechs start showing the same reliability as Aimpoints. I like the field of view and reticle of the EOs much better, but Aimpoint has always seemed to be the more reliable optic.

[Hmac]

Why an M4s? Why not a couple of Aimpoint PRO's? They cost less than the Eotech 512s, have "ungodly" battery life, and are rugged.

[SomeOtherGuy]

m4s and SPARC

But really, I'd get two Aimpoint PROs and call it good.

I own and use four models of Aimpoint, and two of the Vortex Strikefire. I have in the past owned an EOTech 552 and XPS. They worked for me, but I read enough here to decide to get while the getting was good (sell before I had any issues). I also have read (not personal experience) that while the XPS is better, there apparently can still be an issue with the battery not being designed to handle recoil forces on its side.

While I personally had no EOTech problems, two different friends with two different 511s on two different carbines both have had constant problems. One of those friends is now using a SPARC on a different AR with no problems so far.

Just had a 400+ round class a week ago with an H1 micro on my AR and a ML3 on my wife's and both worked perfectly.

[SMETNA]

I think I'm going to order another 512. I'll just pick up a spare battery terminal from brownells.

The NV mode was more of a nice to have feature, because eventually, I plan on picking up a PVS-14. But that's several years away.

I've already got a decent supply of lithium single use and NiMh rechargeable AAs, so shorter battery life isn't such a big deal.

As far as durability, if the 512 can take a good knock, that's all I need. It's not like I'm going to be under sustained mortar attack from spetsnaz forces while on the side of an active volcano in a fighting hole made from bleached skulls.

Thanks for the input everybody

[B Cart]

It's not like I'm going to be under sustained mortar attack from spetsnaz forces while on the side of an active volcano in a fighting hole made from bleached skulls.

From that description, I think you mean Japanese forces and it sounds a lot like Peleliu...

Anyway, good luck with your purchase!

[Alaskapopo]

Would you rather have two EOTech 512s? (one on your go-to HD rifle, one on your backup/beater rifle)

OR

Would you rather have an Aimpoint Comp M4S and a Vortex Sparc? (Aimpoint on your go-to HD rifle, Vortex on your backup/beater)

Those are the only options. I'm not considering a T-1, a PRO, an XPS, or anything else.

I would trust the Vortex over the Eotech actually. So my vote is Aimpoint M4s and the Vortex.
Pat

[aguila327]

Great thread people,

I love the passion people feel for the optic of their choice, if there is one thing to take away here; its the fact that you have just compressed years of expierence in 2 dozen post. Exactly why I joind this group.

As an LEO firearms instructor I've had the pleasure of using Vortex, EoTech, and Aimpoint optics and thing they all have something to offer. Its up to you to see what we have all exp. and decide on your own (depending on use and budget).

The EoTech battery box issue was a very big issue for our SWAT guys, EoTech customer service was excellent, but after numerous call outs and training scenarios in which either the batteries were dead or the box developed contact issues they/we switched to Aimpoint M2's.

In my case I've finally settled on the Aimpoint product which meets my needs exactly. I have sold the vortex products to entry level shooters with limited funds, and have kept my EoTech 512 as back up (batteries out) until I can afford another T-1 or an M4s. Once thats done my son will get the Eotech for his first AR.

Thanks for all the great input and whatever your looking through "keep em on target and make some brass"