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Thread: Found the AK 7.62x39mm Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant; 8M3 bullet

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    Found the AK 7.62x39mm Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant; 8M3 bullet

    As the title suggests I was able to inspect and verify that the lot of TulAmmo 7.62x39mm 124gr. Hollow Point I recently purchased uses the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant 8M3 bullet.

    Using two known 8M3 loadings the Saspan 124gr. JHP and the older Wolf 124gr. Military Classic JHP I compared both with the WPA 124 and the TulaAmmo 124gr. JHP.

    I pulled all the bullets and checked for the following physical features,

    Weight
    Length
    Hollow point dimensions
    Hollow point depth
    Heel design
    Internal notches in hollow point cavity

    First the weight of all the pulled bullets were in the range of 123.9 to 124.7grs.

    I was not able to measure exact Bullet lengths do to the battery in my digital caliber going dead but from eying up all four bullets on a level surface the TulAmmo, Saspan and Older Wolf Military Classic had what appeared the same height and profile while the WPA was slightly taller with a sharper angle from base to nose.

    Once again I could not measure hollow point dimensions do to a dead battery but the gap for the TulAmmo, Saspan and Older Wolf Military Classic appeared identical with the WPA having a smaller opening.

    Hollow Point depth was very close for the TulAmmo, Saspan and Older Wolf Military Classic with no noticeable difference. But the WPA had a hollow point depth almost twice as deep then the other three.

    Heel design was identical for the big three being clean and very uniform angled up and in toward center locking in the lead core. The WPA had a flat crude heal which looked like it would bent out on impact and allow the lead core to separate from the jacket.

    Internal Notches,

    This is the big indicator of identifying the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant 8M3 bullet. One should be able with a thin metal pin feel three machined notches spaced evenly just inside the hollow point cavity. The notches are pronounced and can be seen with a strong light and a magnifying glass.

    The Saspan, Older Wolf Military Classic and the TulAmmo all had the machined notches on the inside jacket wall of the hollow point. So this a lone should verify that the TulAmmo is currently using the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant 8M3 bullet. The WPA did not have any detectable notches on 20rds inspected and none could be visually seen.

    But adding all the other similarities that the TulAmmo 124gr. H/P shares with the Saspan and Wolf M/C its a sure ID in my book. The WPA in my opinion DOES NOT USE the 8M3 bullet so don't be fooled by Internet postings saying other wise.

    Now After this I returned to were I purchased the inspected box of TulAmmo and asked if they had any other cases in stock were I could see the lot number and date of manufacture and the Lot number of the inspected bullet was Lot A676 and the date of manufacture was 09/2011.

    I purchased the last case they had and everything on the shelve at $5.00 per box of 20rds. These days $5.00 a box is not a bad price especially since this loading has the recommended 8M3 bullet which DocGKR stated was a acceptable 7.62x39mm load.

    When able I will shoot this load into some water jugs and wet news print and while this junk testing won't prove much I would like to see what the difference is between the un-notched jacket WPA loading and the TulAmmo JHP's.
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    Here's a good deal on the TulAmmo 124gr H/P which should have the Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant 8M3 bullet.

    http://www.weaponsworld.com/ammuniti...box-of-20.html

    Posted by DocGKR,

    https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19885

    Of note, most of the “cheap” Russian JHP/JSP ammunition offers poor terminal performance. The one that seems to work is the 7.62x39mm Saspan 124 gr JHP (Ulyanovsk Machinery Plant; 8M3 bullet); from a 16” AKMS the data is:

    BG: vel=2297 f/s, pen=15.0”, Max TC=10cm@18cm, RD=0.63”, RW=100.5gr"

    This will be my wild pig hunting load once I get down to Texas and I will also shoot the 8M3 into water and wet news print just to see what happens.
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    Thanks for the info and the heads up on the ammo.

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    Thanks Phila for the info, keep us posted after your water jug tests.
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    Thanks Phila! The info is much appreciated.

    I've been out of the 7.62x39 game for a while, after standardizing all of my AK stuff to 5.45, but I'm thinking about tucking some of this away just in case. The cost/performance ratio of this Ruskie ammo with the vaunted 8M3 pills is pretty high.
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    I know this is kinda old but I have not been able to find any with the Lot number 676 and manufacture date 09/2011? I am waiting on emails back from a few companies but have not been able to locate any. Does any one know if Tula is using this bullet in other lots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC_DAVE View Post
    I know this is kinda old but I have not been able to find any with the Lot number 676 and manufacture date 09/2011? I am waiting on emails back from a few companies but have not been able to locate any. Does any one know if Tula is using this bullet in other lots.
    The latest batch I purchased which had a different lot number did have the 8M3 bullet but I can not tell what the date of manufacture was as I picked it up at a gun show (50 Loose Boxes) and they didn't have the case box they came out of to identify the date.

    I carry a thin metal pin in my wallet and when I find the 124gr H/P's I just run the pin on the inside of the hollow point and if I feel three distinct deep ridges equally spaced on the inside jacket then you have the real deal.

    Going price is still good from $4.99 to $5.99 a box of twenty depending on were you shop.
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    When you say a pen do you mean like a sweing needle or do you mean a writting pen.
    I guess part of my problem is I buy almost all my ammo online. Most local store charge way to much for me to buy from them. I have seen a box of wolf go for 8.50 a box I have also seen ammo i buy online for 25.00 a box go for 44.99! Really, its bullshit!

    i guess I may buy some and report back on findings.

    Phila I posted in terminall Ballistics about the Klimovsk Specialized Ammunition Plant / RUSSIAN 7.62X39 123GR FMJ AMMUNITION / New Russian manufacture 7.62x39 ammunition. Features a 123grn lead core full bi-metal jacketed bullet, lacquer coated steel case and non-corrosive berdan primer.

    I was not sure if this stuff preformed like M67 Yugo stuff. Do you happen to have any info on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NC_DAVE View Post
    When you say a pen do you mean like a sweing needle or do you mean a writting pen.
    I guess part of my problem is I buy almost all my ammo online. Most local store charge way to much for me to buy from them. I have seen a box of wolf go for 8.50 a box I have also seen ammo i buy online for 25.00 a box go for 44.99! Really, its bullshit!

    i guess I may buy some and report back on findings.

    Phila I posted in terminall Ballistics about the Klimovsk Specialized Ammunition Plant / RUSSIAN 7.62X39 123GR FMJ AMMUNITION / New Russian manufacture 7.62x39 ammunition. Features a 123grn lead core full bi-metal jacketed bullet, lacquer coated steel case and non-corrosive berdan primer.

    I was not sure if this stuff preformed like M67 Yugo stuff. Do you happen to have any info on this?
    Pen?

    I use a small thin sewing pin to detect the notches.

    As to your second question I believe that the jackets on the M67 Yugo are all copper jacketed (No Bi-Metal) which is said to allow the bullet to break up on impact. I remember seeing someone selling 123gr copper FMJ at a decent price a month back or so. I will see if I saved the link but it could be Wideners if I remember correctly.

    Edited to add,
    Here you go the real deal M67 still in stock at a good (For todays Market) price.

    http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|852



    Another Wideners M67 deal,

    http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|852

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phila PD View Post
    Pen?

    I use a small thin sewing pin to detect the notches.

    As to your second question I believe that the jackets on the M67 Yugo are all copper jacketed (No Bi-Metal) which is said to allow the bullet to break up on impact. I remember seeing someone selling 123gr copper FMJ at a decent price a month back or so. I will see if I saved the link but it could be Wideners if I remember correctly.

    Edited to add,
    Here you go the real deal M67 still in stock at a good (For todays Market) price.

    http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|852



    Another Wideners M67 deal,

    http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.c...dir=18|830|852

    I tired dragging a pen on a few boxes at different stores today in town with no luck. I did see the widners M67. I was really hoping to find something similar that was non corrisive. Mainly casue a got an new SGL21 on it way and yes I am being a big pussy about spendin that kinda money on a rifle and then throwing crorrisive ammo down the pipe. I do have an older SAR that i may buy some of that for.

    Almost all the new ammo seems to be bi-metal. Wish this was not the case . I was really hoping I could find an ammo that preformed well that I would be able to financially stack it deep with.

    However I did find some Tula124gr Hp that stated it was made in Ulyanovsk Cartridge works I thought maybe this would contain the 8M3 since it came from the factory.
    Last edited by NC_DAVE; 07-19-12 at 23:48. Reason: added info

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