1. If you did not know Delta and Dev use the HK416 you have been living under a rock. Let me help you expand your horizons, contact or read the following please,
- Larry Vickers (Primary)
He is a primary source. I respect him a lot and am not saying he's wrong or not at all involved, but he is not a current operator.
- IraqGunz (Primary)
Secondary source. He talked to Delta guys who loved theirs.
- Army Times, Article "Better than the M4 but you Can't have one." (Secondary)
- Military Times, Article "Senator Tells Army to Reconsider M4," half way in the article it mentions Dev. (Secondary)
- Army Times, Article "The 416, Delta Force has them, why not?" (Secondary)
- Army Times, Article "Army takes HK416s from special unit," in it it mentions the AWG fought hard to keep their 416s/. (Secondary)
- Numerous pictures of American forces with 416s.
- Should I list more "reliable second hand sources" sir?
I know of service members who trust the Army Times and those that don't always. YMMV.
2. Who I am has nothing to do with this discussion, whether people think I was in the military or not is up to them, this is just a forum. However I am just like anyone else.
I was not attacking your character or profession or saying your opinion doesn't matter.
3. Two of my best buds are enlisted marine corp, ones about to be discharged and the other is still in, both with time in iraq and stan. We shoot, drink, bbq, and if they weren't in the military we'd be room mates...don't give me that "I know a military guy" line. All it does is it allows me to deduce you probably were never in the military. FYI the Marine Corp has the M27 IAR in field testing now.
I wasn't saying you have nothing to do with the military or anything like that. Good for you for having friends in the Marines that have deployed that you can shoot and drink with. Deduce whatever you like. And I've heard they're testing the M27 but thanks anyways.
4. I loved the part "His unit didn't run the 416 because they got it to break or fail I don't remember which." LOL his unit must have ran some god-like rifles, can you tell me what rifles they went with, I would love to try and get my hands on one.
Colt M4's.
5. Respectfully your zombie Eotech was a terrible example, here is why,
- "And just because everyone is doing it doesn't necessarily mean its an improvement." This is true in an ideal world, in reality not so much. When Apple Inc. came out with their first Iphone, the Iphone had a touch screen interface. Was something wrong with manual click buttons? Of course not. However other major electronics companies like Samsung and Sony followed suit, because they knew if they didn't follow they would get left behind. Consequently, right now Samsung's Galaxy phone is probably the biggest competitor to the Iphone. Saying the piston system is horrible is like saying touch phones are crap because the glass face can be easily cracked.
I never said it was horrible.
- Nobody claimed the zombie edition was the best holo sight, It's just a different reticule so I miss your point, feel free to enlighten me.
The piston is just a different system.
- The price tags on these rifles are no where near justifiable from solely consumer profits, so I don't see a black Friday crowd waiting to buy them.
Not even sure what you mean by this one.
6. I respect everyones' view, hell this is America you can say what you want, but please think about what you say before you say it.
Please read what you're responding to.
I hope this Piston/DI thread helps those who are thinking about getting a SBR, to dtibbals I root for the MR556, I cant speak for other piston makers but HK is ok!

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