M&P 9mm accuracy challenge

[GJM]

Does anyone own a M&P 9 that shoots multiple loads, to the same point of impact at 25 yards, to an accuracy standard of five shot groups under four inches at 25 yards with the factory barrel? If so, can you post photos of your groups with the various loads?

[avengd7x]

can we see all 10 of your m & p9s with their corresponding targets as well as the same setup with your different guns (glocks and hks) for comparison? I'll post mine next time I get out to the range

I think posting with another gun acts as a control, showing you're even capable of shooting such tight groups

[Hogsgunwild]

I have previously managed several 4" @ 25 yard groups using more than five rounds each time, supported. That would be with my M&P 9MM COMPACT. My fullsize cannot even do that with better ammo and after S&W replaced the barrel.

I do not mean to be rude but what does the picture really help?
One could B.S. or exaggerate just as easily with or without pictures.
You know, shoot the target closer in and say it was 25 yards.
That is what I like about this site. I can trust a lot of the people here after having heard of their experiences, backgrounds, intentions, etc.
There are plenty of people here that are secure enough with themselves that they do not need to B.S. on the internet. The ones that do B.S. weed themselves out or can sometimes be ignored.

[GJM]

I documented my results in multiple posts in the M&P 9 accuracy thread, as they happened. In each instance of group testing, I shot reference groups with a Glock or P30. I had no interest in having so many accuracy problems, and I didn't end up with over 10 9's because I wanted them to fail.

Certainly a photograph can be BS'd. My real point is just that folks actually go out and shoot their M&P pistols, and post their results whether they be written or in pictures, as opposed to just announcing their M&P shoots based on gut or some single group they shot some time in the past.

It would be encouraging if even a single person has a M&P 9 that they have shot at 25 yards, that can meet that accuracy standard, and have the point of impact between various loads be close enough that it works without a sight adjustment. I have yet to see such an M&P, but I am open to being educated.

[JHC]

YES! No 7 or 10 yard one hole groups!

[avengd7x]

I documented my results in multiple posts in the M&P 9 accuracy thread, as they happened. In each instance of group testing, I shot reference groups with a Glock or P30. I had no interest in having so many accuracy problems, and I didn't end up with over 10 9's because I wanted them to fail.

Certainly a photograph can be BS'd. My real point is just that folks actually go out and shoot their M&P pistols, and post their results whether they be written or in pictures, as opposed to just announcing their M&P shoots based on gut or some single group they shot some time in the past.

It would be encouraging if even a single person has a M&P 9 that they have shot at 25 yards, that can meet that accuracy standard, and have the point of impact between various loads be close enough that it works without a sight adjustment. I have yet to see such an M&P, but I am open to being educated.

I think most people train at reasonable distances that are realistic in a self defense scenario. shooting 5 shots slowly at 25 yards doesn't translate very well towards real life encounters.

I'm not discounting the importance of accuracy at any distance and this is coming from someone with several brands of "accurate" guns including hks, glocks, and czs, but it seems to be causing you to overlook many of the redeeming qualities the m &p9 has.

i'd also like to know why you have 10 fs m & p9s. I would never spend ~$5,000 on one specific type of gun that I so adamantly disliked.

[Sprout]

When I tried 4 types of cheap ammo in my M&P, only the WWB shot < 4" groups (3 x 5 shot groups averaged). However, all 4 types shot to the same approximate point of aim.

I have a 20lb recoil spring on it's way from MidwayUSA, and I'm hoping that may help, if the problem is early unlocking.



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Just to add my one unscientific data point. What was really strange to me was the variance between similar types of practice ammo of the same weight.

I shot four types of inexpensive 115 grain practice ammo offhand through my brand new M&P9 FS. Each type shot less than 2" at 15 yards. I then shot each type three times at 25 yards from the bench, wrists resting on two soft gun rugs, gun not touching anything.

UMC Yellow Box: Avg 5 1/2" (5", 6 1/2", 5")
Fed Champion: Avg 6 1/2" (8", 6 1/2", 5")
Win White Box: Avg 3" (2 1/8", 3", 3 3/4")
Fed American Eagle: Avg 5 3/4" (6", 4 3/4", 6 1/2")

As a quasi-control, I shot three 25 yard groups of the WWB with my Glock 34, with an average of 2 1/2" (2 3/4", 2", 2 3/4").

I'm sure this says more about my shooting than the guns, but I thought it was interesting. Also, it tells me that if your gun won't shoot with one type of cheap bulk ammo of the weight you like, try a few more.

[Hmac]

On Sunday I shot several groups with my M&P 9L, stock barrel and stock sights with DCAEK, well within a 4 inch red square from 25 yards, two hand grip from a sandbag rest. The experience left me satisfied that my particular M&P shoots to my satisfaction. The gun is about 1.5 years old and has about 3000 rounds through it.

Only used one ammo...115 grain PMC Bronze.

[brickboy240]

Did he really buy 10 of these things?

Ten?

I think after the first one or two....I would be looking for something else, if accuracy is a main concern.

I only needed ONE Ford pickup to know that I needed to not buy another! LOL

- brickboy240

[JHC]

Did he really buy 10 of these things?

Ten?

I think after the first one or two....I would be looking for something else, if accuracy is a main concern.

I only needed ONE Ford pickup to know that I needed to not buy another! LOL

- brickboy240

Yep, pretty much all at once to find an ellusive ideal specimen. Pretty neat eh?