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    Quote Originally Posted by Moose-Knuckle View Post
    Yeah, that was the first gun that popped in my head as I read the linked article. However according to Colt:


    Overall length (stock retracted) 27.5 in. (66.9 cm)
    Overall length (stock extended) 30.75 in. (78.1 cm)

    So as Dano pointed out, there is nothing on the market currently that’s within the scope of the stated requirements.
    Armstech Compak 16 may qualify.

    ETA: just checked and it fails the collapsed requirement by several inches so unless someone comes up with a new stock/receiver extension design, this may eliminate the entire AR family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Maybe they want a fantasy gun? I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that document had no clue as to what they were talking about.
    http://primaryweapons.com/store/pc/v...&idcategory=11

    Maybe they want a Diablo upper with carbine lower...someone has an affinity for video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Holy shit, the sky is falling! I better upgrade my body armor to level 5. Bring it on DHS.
    Thank you.....

    Aren't we all hoping they buy Bushmasters or RRA's for when they turn on us?
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    Guys are missing the big point.
    The AR-15/M4 family was just reclassified by DHS. They are no longer "Assault Rifles" and are now "Personal Defense Weapons".

    Good Lawyer should be able to use that next time a client is charged with having an "Assault Rifle".

    Thanks DHS!
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    The Robinson XCR mini and micro fall within the stated measurements. The Mini is exactly 20" folded.

    http://xcr.robarm.com/xcrl.php
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    I wonder if it could be a SCAR, the SCAR 16 CQC is 21" folded and 31" extended, so it might just be one with a shorter barrel.

    I don't see how you can get a weapon down to 20" and then up to 30" without a folding stock of some kind.

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    I'm not going to attempt to guess exactly what kind of weapon they are looking to obtain. I read the link and the language was rather unclear to me. But then, I really need my morning coffee.

    The author in the link made a big deal about DHS buying up to 7,000 weapons. He even spelled out NATO. I guess by doing so that makes things more sinister.

    DHS buying up to 7,000 select fire 5.56 mm guns? OK.... AND...?

    I would imagine a large chunk of this order could go to the US Border Patrol. The way things have been along our borders the last few years, they could probably use them. As far as I'm concerned, every Border Patrol agent should be issued one. Next in line should be every LEO working along the SW border.

    I work for a police agency of about 1,100 officers. We have about 30-40 departmentally AR15's (AKA Patrol Rifles) to go around the Patrol Bureau. (Additional guns for SWAT and training) We could easily find a use for another 250-300 guns, funds permitting. But who knows what the idiot in the linked article would do with the idea of an urban LEO agency wanting that many sinister weapons?

    The world isn't what it used to be. The threats have become more threatening. More dangerous. As a Nation, we should be prepared to respond accordingly.

    My main concern is that DHS throughly conducts a T&E process prior to spending tax payer funds on 7,000 guns.

    My other concern is that they are actually choosing the correct tool for the mission. I hear PDW and think of 7" barreled guns. If that's what the mission and intended task calls for, so be it. If not, I'm wondering if something along the size of the Colt 6933 might be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if the person who wrote that document had no clue as to what they were talking about.
    I think this is the most plausible explanation.

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    the requirements are specific and limit the possibility of many obvious choices, leads me to wonder if they have a product in mind and are writing the contract based around that item.

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    I am the only one who is thinking that this was written around the Remington ACR? I mean Remington did get the M4 contract and Freedom Group has enough political clout to make it seem reasonable. The only other firearm I can think of that meets all the requirements would be the Mk 16.
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