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    If someone meets the criteria given it should be an interesting weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iraqgunz View Post
    Holy shit, the sky is falling! I better upgrade my body armor to level 5. Bring it on DHS.
    I hear these weapons are for the Buildabears personal guard.
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    A few months back, a friend of mine in our Office of Training and Development was telling me about OTDs interestd in a .223 PDW for USBP. I assume this proposal is related to that project.

    From what was described to me at the time, they were interested in a design similar to the Magpul PDR, which to my knowledge doesn't exist as an operating firearm.

    According to the specifications in this proposal it sounds like they want a more conventional design now.

    Personally, I would rather they just purchase 11.5 or 10.5 inch uppers for our existing M4s and "save" the tax payers some money.
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    DHS

    The Police are becoming more militarized,drone planes flying over our Country, DHS arming themselves, TSA doing roadside checks and if you question these things you are a paranoid nut? .

    We will get what we deserve won't we.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotbiggun42 View Post
    The Police are becoming more militarized,drone planes flying over our Country, DHS arming themselves, TSA doing roadside checks and if you question these things you are a paranoid nut? .

    We will get what we deserve won't we.
    I understand your point of view and I very much agree that some of what you say could be considered violations of the 4th Amendment. However, I think you need to consider that the criminals of today are much more militant than what we have faced in the past. Just like the early FBI had to begin carrying military firearms in order to combat criminals using the military firearms (The Barrow gang, Dillinger, Baby Face Nelson, and Pretty Boy Floyd) we are now confronting armed cartels that don't give a second thought about killing thousands and are better armed than some foreign militaries (The Zetas and the Sinaloa Cartel especially).
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    Sounds like they want Mk16 CQCs. It comes closest to the size requirement and takes STANAG/PMags.
    I wonder if when they state "gas operated" that it means DI only?

    My first thought was G36C until I read the magazine requirement. That's the only gun I could think of that would get that small besides a Krinkov.
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    Firstly, I would suggest tinfoil hat types post in a more appropriate spot. Ones feelings/theories about, insert whatever gov agency here, have nothing to do with 'General AR discussion".


    The AR format has almost been ubiquitous in a service firearm, and I certainly skipped over some other possibilities.


    Secondly, It would appear that a folder format it the only suitable one... I guess that would leave the:
    SCAR PDW (20.5".. too long as is)
    SCAR-L CQC (21")
    Rem ACR-C (19.5")
    ROBARM Mini (20")

    So the OAL of the SCAR PDW puts it out. Perhaps they could use a fold instead of collapse stock, add few inches of barrel, and still make the OAL. However the SCAR is a bulky snag hazard IMO.

    The ACR variant looks optimized for this requirement, and is a relatively snag free design to boot. Better for withdraw from concealment.

    The RobArms design looks OK, I would change some angles, esp the charging handle to be snag free during presentation from concealment.

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    The author lost all credibility with me on this line...

    Furthermore, they state that every firearm will be tested with a whopping 4,000 rounds, meaning that 28,000,ooo rounds will be spent just testing the firearms before they are put into service.
    They aren't going to fire 4,000 rounds through each of the 7,000 guns. They are going to fire 4,000 rounds through a sample of each model submitted during the eval period. Idiot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ-Renegade View Post
    A few months back, a friend of mine in our Office of Training and Development was telling me about OTDs interestd in a .223 PDW for USBP. I assume this proposal is related to that project.

    From what was described to me at the time, they were interested in a design similar to the Magpul PDR, which to my knowledge doesn't exist as an operating firearm.

    According to the specifications in this proposal it sounds like they want a more conventional design now.

    Personally, I would rather they just purchase 11.5 or 10.5 inch uppers for our existing M4s and "save" the tax payers some money.
    I'd love to drop the SOCOM profiled 14.5" for a gov't profile 10.5 or 11.5. Being able to use personally owned optics now is great, but I'd love to get the green light to use a personally owned upper half with that optic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwperry View Post
    My first thought was G36C until I read the magazine requirement. That's the only gun I could think of that would get that small besides a Krinkov.
    G36C can use Spuhr STANAG magazine adapter with ambi magazine release. HK only need to want
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