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    Lightbulb Oh, and by the way

    Since you refer to this as the "scorpion" (which I have never heard of) or the "Haley/Costa" I will do the same just for ease of communication.

    -What he's talking about is the absurdly forward, hand over the top of the forearm grip that MAGPUL promotes in their vids. As opposed to a modified fighters stance where you are not so much "punching" the rifle out, but firmly pulling the rifle to the rear.

    The "Scorpion-Haley/Costa" works the best for me. It is great for quick target transition, and I get much more control overall...more control by leaps and bounds.

    -Apparently, this grip does not work the best for you as you are consistently getting brass thrown into your face and arms. Why deal with pain and injuries if you don't have to, it's one thing to deal with the dings and scrapes of hard training, it's another to do so needlessly.

    I would rather just suck it up and deal with the burns than change my "tacticool" way of holding the gun. Obviously, how I look to the public is of HUGE concern to me

    -you can roll your eyes all you want, but it is obvious that A.) you are NOT sucking it up, but rather complaining to your "forum buddies" that you keep getting burned and you want the ouchies to stop or worse, B.) you WOULD rather be perceived as a hardcore tacti-guru and deal with unneeded injuries as opposed to finding a technique that works better for a left handed stance.

    I'm also not understanding your comment about aggressive grips being "overdone". Can you explain this more? Do you not think they are needed?

    What the Master Sergeant is saying is that the "MAGPUL" way of punching the gun out is used by everyone out there with $40 and a couple of hours to kill, and that while it may LOOK really cool and tactical, there are better techniques out there that allow you to handle the firearm in a safe, non-injurious (to yourself) way; giving you an equal amount of stability and muzzle control as a left handed shooter.

    OMT,
    there are better things to get ass burned about than having a F^&ING EXPERT trying to unscrew you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Str8Jacket722 View Post

    -What he's talking about is the absurdly forward, hand over the top of the forearm grip that MAGPUL promotes in their vids. As opposed to a modified fighters stance where you are not so much "punching" the rifle out, but firmly pulling the rifle to the rear.



    -Apparently, this grip does not work the best for you as you are consistently getting brass thrown into your face and arms. Why deal with pain and injuries if you don't have to, it's one thing to deal with the dings and scrapes of hard training, it's another to do so needlessly.



    -you can roll your eyes all you want, but it is obvious that A.) you are NOT sucking it up, but rather complaining to your "forum buddies" that you keep getting burned and you want the ouchies to stop or worse, B.) you WOULD rather be perceived as a hardcore tacti-guru and deal with unneeded injuries as opposed to finding a technique that works better for a left handed stance.



    What the Master Sergeant is saying is that the "MAGPUL" way of punching the gun out is used by everyone out there with $40 and a couple of hours to kill, and that while it may LOOK really cool and tactical, there are better techniques out there that allow you to handle the firearm in a safe, non-injurious (to yourself) way; giving you an equal amount of stability and muzzle control as a left handed shooter.

    OMT,
    there are better things to get ass burned about than having a F^&ING EXPERT trying to unscrew you.

    Who is to say that this technique is absurd if it really works for some people?

    I said nothing about getting brass thrown in my face.

    So, you think I WOULD rather be perceived as a hardcore tacti-guru and deal with unneeded injuries as opposed to finding a technique that works better for a left handed stance....You don't know me.

    I am sorry that I didn't feel that Mr. Vickers was trying to unscrew me. Instead I got this -- "Your problem is, you are trying to be tacticool by using the Scorpion-Costa-Haley grip...try my grip"

    As I said before, I have tried the LAV technique, and it works pretty damn well. Not as well as what I am doing.

    Guys, I came here for some advice from people who have had the same issues that I am having. I am really digging the archers arm guard fix. I feel that using an arm guard is a much better option for ME (not talking about anyone else).

    I am not holding any ill feelings towards Mr. Vickers...I just did not think it was justified for him to be a friggin' smartass about my problem when he doesn't know me. And now, because of his comment, there are people generalizing and thinking that everyone that uses a "Magpul" grip is just doing it to be cool, and that is bullshit.

    In the past, I have asked Mr. Vickers for advice on running Aks left handed...and I utilize his technique...so don't think I am "anti-LAV"

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    uhh

    Quote Originally Posted by Animal_Mother556 View Post
    Also, how did I complain about my technique? I said that my friggin arm is in the way of the brass...
    Color me confused... If your friggin ARM is in the friggin WAY of the friggin HOT friggin BRASS... then it's your technique. Fix your technique and you won't get burned. Simple as that.
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    Read before you post.

    Go back with an open mind, re-read everything that was said from everyone. And this time read the posts with a student's mindset and not a whiners attitude. You posted a problem, a problem area was identified by a SME of all people, and you're coming off as a butt hurt little kid because you felt some of us, the SME included "diss'd your form". I think it was said before, but you need some thicker skin, dude.
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    Hi!

    Life-long lefty here with some advice...

    Quote Originally Posted by Animal_Mother556 View Post
    Seems to me Mr. Vickers is taking out some aggression on the "scorpion" grip...I was the target...I am not holding any grudges.
    Dude... not fanboying here, but did you just receive advice from a respected figure in the community and then play some pussy ass victim card when you didn't like what you heard?

    There are only 3 options:

    1) Cover your forearm with some type of robin hood/ marilyn manson type thing or wear long sleeves.

    2) Figure out some way to toughen up the skin on your arms. It looks really thin, soft... and delicate. If you were slightly less hairy those pics might be curiously arousing.

    3) Rotate your thumb down and lower your elbow. Focus on driving the muzzle where it needs to go and maintaining total control of the weapon. This is what I do.

    I have had problems with brass in the past too:


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    Quote Originally Posted by KalashniKEV View Post
    Dude... not fanboying here, but did you just receive advice from a respected figure in the community and then play some pussy ass victim card when you didn't like what you heard?
    +++1

    [/QUOTE]There are only 3 options:

    1) Cover your forearm with some type of robin hood/ marilyn manson type thing or wear long sleeves. [/QUOTE]



    [/QUOTE]2) Figure out some way to toughen up the skin on your arms. It looks really thin, soft... and delicate. If you were slightly less hairy those pics might be curiously arousing. [/QUOTE]



    [/QUOTE]3) Rotate your thumb down and lower your elbow. Focus on driving the muzzle where it needs to go and maintaining total control of the weapon. This is what I do. [/QUOTE]



    You said it better than I did!
    I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you **** with me, I'll kill you all.

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    Gentlemen, Does this thread really have to denigrate into something less than what proper decorum would dictate? The OP has a technique that works for him and many others. Mr. Vickers has his technique that works for him and many others. The OP's form and a combination of variables results in burns. Suggestions have been offered and a solution chosen. Geez, it's Friday. I think a few beers would do us all some good! Have a good weekend.

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    Good Point

    Quote Originally Posted by 3 AE View Post
    Gentlemen, Does this thread really have to denigrate into something less than what proper decorum would dictate? The OP has a technique that works for him and many others. Mr. Vickers has his technique that works for him and many others. The OP's form and a combination of variables results in burns. Suggestions have been offered and a solution chosen. Geez, it's Friday. I think a few beers would do us all some good! Have a good weekend.
    I'm cracking the top of a cold one right now, Na zdrowie! Thanks for being the level-headed one.
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    Hey bro it's real simple- I was not attacking you just the overly aggressive arm forward technique that some people teach now- the clue that you may want to alter your technique is the fact you have scorch marks on your arm

    I will say it again- the overly aggressive arm forward stance has been way overblown and controlling he gun is more about pulling the gun straight to the rear ( like driving a stake straight into your shoulder) NOT about putting the hand in an over the top position that , if you are a lefty, can cause you to get burns- you are not the first I have seen with this problem- just had a guy in Michigan with the exact same situation

    If you don't want to alter your stance or are not bothered by the burns in a true G Gordon Liddy fashion then exactly why did you start this thread?

    LAV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Vickers View Post
    Hey bro it's real simple- I was not attacking you just the overly aggressive arm forward technique that some people teach now- the clue that you may want to alter your technique is the fact you have scorch marks on your arm

    I will say it again- the overly aggressive arm forward stance has been way overblown and controlling he gun is more about pulling the gun straight to the rear ( like driving a stake straight into your shoulder) NOT about putting the hand in an over the top position that , if you are a lefty, can cause you to get burns- you are not the first I have seen with this problem- just had a guy in Michigan with the exact same situation

    If you don't want to alter your stance or are not bothered by the burns in a true G Gordon Liddy fashion then exactly why did you start this thread?

    LAV
    Thank you for a second reply. F2S (on the first page) advised me to do essentially the same thing you did...change my arm position. But, he did not feel the need to attack my form, and imply that I was only doing it to look cool...that was my only problem with your post, and as I said before...no ill will from my end. When I posted this thread, I was actually hoping you would see it...knowing that you are left-handed. When you advised me that your form was not at tacticool, and that I should take that into consideration...it just came off bad with me. I felt offended that I was thrown into that generalized group of people. I am sorry.
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